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RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:

Point remains, I'm fine with Nintendo making accomodations for other audiences, my gripe is that we as experienced gamers or whatever term you want to use (go ahead and make one up) are the ones being asked to make every sacrifice. 

We used to get perfectly reasonable technology in line with the other systems on their day from Nintendo, now basically every aspect of their modern systems are really design first and foremost for beginner/non-gamers. I'm sorry if you don't like the distinction but it clearly exists. 

And basically for all these trade offs, what we're told is "shut up and accept the inferior hardware which is still pretty expensive and accept little to no third party support so we can make our hardware this way to suit this other crowd, but we're giving you Mario and Zelda, you should be happy enough with that."

Well you know what? The NES/SNES/N64/GameCube had Mario and Zelda too, saying "you're getting Zelda aren't you" isn't good enough. 

If Nintendo was genuine in this whole "we're making hardware for everyone" then the system would be legitimately designed for everyone's needs. Which the Wii and Wii U clearly were not, they were designed primarily for a beginner audience and their needs were put first in virtually every design decision, but we got a nunchaku or dual analog for core players, whoopity doo. 

Nintendo is being disingenious in making these kinds of statements. They are not making hardware with "everyone" in mind, they're making hardware very clearly for beginner/casual players in mind, and traditional/experienced players are the ones being asked to sacrifice on their expectations (don't expect good graphics anymore, don't expect great developer support, don't expect good online, don't expect a HDD storage standard, you have to pay extra for a traditional controller, you should be happy with Nintendo Land as your pack-in title, we don't need to give New Super Mario good graphics because casuals don't care about graphics, etc. etc. etc.). These aren't imaginary trade-offs, they are real and tangiable, since Nintendo went this "blue ocean" direction, Nintendo players who are enthusiasts have been asked to sacrifice their expectations while still paying top dollar. 

You are a dudebro. Definition = Places high importance on gaming to be manly and mature, quickly dismisses anything that doesn't fit that mold. Consequently, plays only games of a few selected genres. Suffers from the teenager complex that the world should revolve around them, so they are incapable of viewing any given subject from the point of view of somebody else.

That you like a few selected Nintendo games doesn't change that you are a dudebro at heart. There are already two consoles that cater to the demands of dudebros, but that is apparently not enough because the world should revolve around them, so all consoles have to be the same.

So your response to Soundwave is name calling? And you use terms towards others such as " ignorant" and " close minded"? 

I read Soundwaves post and did not read anything that comes close to what you are attempting to claim.  That is usually the sign of a person with hurt feelings  using emotion to respond instead of anything worthwhile