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Soundwave on 22 August 2016
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RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:

So you do like categories, just when it suits your agenda, lol. 

I don't like Call of Duty or Grand Theft Auto or Elder Scrolls or Battlefield. I think I played Assassin's Creed for like 20 minutes and had an OK time, but have no intention of playing that for more than an hour. But I don't like Wii Sports, or Wii Fit, or Wii Party, or Mario Party either. 

My favorite franchises are Mario 3D, Mario 2D, Mario Kart, Advance Wars, Splatoon, F-Zero, Street Fighter, old-school Final Fantasy (SNES-to PSOne era), Donkey Kong Country, Killer Instinct, Fire Emblem, Punch-Out!, Soul Calibur, Zelda (though I don't think Zelda is the be-all, end-all either), and uh ... I guess maybe the Batman games? Does liking Batman make me a "dudebros"? I've liked Batman for 30+ years. 

Maybe all consoles shouldn't be the same, but Nintendo is not plausibly making consoles for "everyone". They are clearly making almost every hardware decision for one group of people, while basically asking the other group to just suck it up and accept things when this is not how they ran their hardware business for almost 20 years. 

You specifically asked me what you are if you aren't an experienced gamer who speaks for all experienced gamers like I said in the post you quoted.

Previously in this thread I've pointed out that appealing to experienced gamers (what Nintendo says) is not the same as the headline of this thread implies, because the words "core" and "casual" have floating definitions. In your specific case, you identify "core" as what dudebros want, but while dudebros may fall under the umbrella of experienced gamers, they are certainly not the only kind of experienced gamers. So if Nintendo doesn't make a console like the PS4/XB1, it doesn't mean that they are lying about their intent to appeal to experienced gamers or that they will fail at appealing to experienced gamers.

Like I said above I don't need even a bleeding edge system, but wanting something that's even remotely modern is wrong now? Why is it that core gamers needs must be pretty much completely ignored for them to make something acceptable to beginners/casuals?

I would be OK with a 1 TFLOP NX ... that is even less performance than 4 year old XBox One which most people consider to be under-specced to begin with. No one's asking for a Nintendo PS4 Neo here. 

This is not asking for a lot. If you want to put some magic wonder-dildo controller in the box, hey have at it Nintendo, I'm not even saying they can't do that. 

Super Mario Bros. would not have been as good of a game had it ran on Atari 2600 level hardware. Super Mario World and Earthbound and Zelda: LttP and Final Fantasy VI would not be as good of games had they ran on the NES instead of Super NES. Mario 64 and GoldenEye and Zelda: OoT wouldn't run on a SNES period. Super Smash Bros. Melee or Metroid Prime wouldn't have been nearly as good of a game on the N64 versus GameCube. 

Being a full hardware generation behind has consequences for the types of games and experiences that can be had. 

A balanced approach would consider the needs of all audiences, not just one set of the audience, which is more accurately what Nintendo has done the last 10 years. The only reason they are able to still have a (small) console audience is because there are those of us who are willing to put up with all kinds of bullshit so we can enjoy Mario and Zelda and a few handful of other Nintendo IP. 

Even Apple in making devices for "casual" types with an emphasis on user friendliness, still makes sure their devices have a good deal of horsepower and gorgeous displays for example ensuring a satisfying user experience. They may not match every spec point, but it's not like when buy an iPhone you're buying something 5 years behind any other phone or tablet. But for Nintendo this has somehow become acceptable.