Who will provide the NX GPU?

[Miyamotoo]

JustBeingReal said:

Miyamotoo said:

 

There's no indication that things changed, certainly not from the horse's mouth.

 

It's assumed that Eurogamer are right, but they've been wrong before. With 3DS, they called it DS2 (which is not what it was), they also claimed that Nvidia were a guarantee, but that wasn't true either.

Eurogamer are not to be taken as a legimate source when it comes to rumors, so using them as a basis for anything is pointless.

There's no way Tegra X1 would be used, because it's too power hungry, there's no reason to believe it's successor is being used for anything in the dedicated gaming market, because NVidia have outright said that it's only being used in their self drive or AI products.

Nvidia can comment on a major business deal, in vague terms, they haven't done so, but they are obliged to for their investors.

Such information would have an effect on stock prices and to completely hold back any information is tantamount to fraud. We know nothing about the details surrounding any NDAs Nintendo has with their partners, so for you to say such a thing is a lie.

Nvidia giving their products away, without making a thing or only making enough to break even makes no sense. Businesses are in business to make money, Nvidia already have products that are using Tegra, which they are in full control of, which is a common trait among the majority of their product creation, from their GPUs, to self drive, to mobile.

There's no history of Nvidia making complete products for Nintendo, so it makes little sense to thing they would be now.

Which is an assumption, which makes no sense.

This rumor assumes that Nintendo got some crazy good deal, where NVidia are making basically nothing from it, to try and get back into the dedicated gaming device market, which they have had no interest in doing for years, since PS3.

They can continue to making money on a product that at least makes them a little something and build that up over time, but no they quit and go with a new partner that will basically cost them or make them make nothing in the process of the deal.

The fact that AMD were a partner means they have a relationship and AMD have provided a product that suited Nintendo's needs and one that they were able to make money from, Nvidia hasn't.

Nvidia aren't making anything if we go by the rumors, so it makes no sense for them from a business standpoint.

Nintendo would get a great product from AMD and one that is likely more profitable, since AMD products tend to be cheaper.

There are numerous options for Nintendo when you look at AMD, whether it's the home console or handheld market and Iwata basically said that Nintendo wants to make one development environment that can be tailored to multiple end devices, they want their business to be flexible for more than one segment of the dedicated gaming device market, a multifunctional device is more limiting than having multiple devices that you can develop as the need arises.

This came from Eurogamer, it's not legitimate and makes no sense for the reasons I've given before..

Not really, we know nothing of X2, besides that it's made for the self drive market.

AMD makes great mobile chips, performance per watt is better than X1, X2 can't be compared and AMD also has their own new mobile chips in development, which will be much more efficient than the current crop of AMD parts.

NVidia needs to make money from this, the rumors basically say they aren't, which shows that the rumor has no credibility all by itself.

Everything is in favor of AMD, from the history they share with Nintendo, to them being able to provide products and support, to making a profit and providing good prices for Nintendo, without shooting themselves in the foot, it all makes much more sense than Nvidia somehow deciding they need to be in the dedicated gaming device space, so they'll make no money to just to put their head in the door, when they have bigger concerns, like Self Drive and AI markets, along with already providing desktop level GPUs in Laptops, which is a big emerging market for the future.

AMD have even outright said they have semi-custom business that they are yet to detail, NVidia hasn't said anything of the sort and such topics need to be mentioned, because of their potential effects on stock prices.

We don't have multiple sources saying NVidia, we have multiple sites claiming they have sources, but all of this information could be coming from the same faker who really doesn't seem to understand how this business actually works and they don't seem to get that NVidia has to be able to make some money, a decent amount of money to make this even worthwhile for them to work with Nintendo.

You can't have it be that Nintendo are giving them a tonne of cash, but that they're somehow making out with a great deal here, it doesn't work both ways and Nvidia doesn't really have much experience in this market, they've not shown themselves to be great for this market, so it makes even less sense for Nintendo to use them because of those reasons.

Those are not really legit, they're claims and ones that don't really make any sense.

You can fake confidence, many people do it every day, the fact that there are so many holes in these claims should be quite telling really.

Eurogamer have posted things they've believed to be real, but you know what, they've turned out to be wrong, like the DS2 things, like PS4's memory amount, the fact that Semi Accurate had to make NVidia lose money or make nothing in this rumor makes it essentially impossible to be true.

Me saying about what Nintendo loves is based on their technical choices of wanting technology that requires low power and small formfactor boxes, it is based on evidence, which is the strongest kind of argument a person can make.

You and others are making claims based on rumors that have major holes, which others and myself have pointed out.

Nintendo making major changes is down to how they can provide software support their devices, how they can seamlessly get games on more than one device, which Iwata said was the point of their changes, which is something that he and others within important positions within Nintendo have never once actually made any statements to bring those points into question.

 

In the end you haven't really dealt with my points, not with real evidence, you've just used rumors, which are not supported by any past events relating to Nintendo to try and argue for something that makes no sense when you actually put this topic under a microscope.

See reply in bold.

Well Nintendo having changes internally and externally last two years and changes yet to be seeing, most likely same initial plans from January 2013. were also changed.

Like I wrote, Eurogamer reported that 3DS using Nvidia dev kits, and they were right, 3DS rely early used Nvidia kits, but Nintendo ditch them because they did not deliver promised. Huge difference is that Eurogamer have that info for 3DS 16 months before launch, for NX they gave infos 7 months before launch, huge difference.

Its well know that Eurogamer can be considered like reliable source even for rumours, especially if we have confirmation from other sites and sources for those Eurogamers infos.

Of Course that can Tegra X1 can be used, you already have Tegra X1 in tablet. It assumed that NX handheld will have X1 Tegra with double lowered clocks of chips, while when in its in hybrid mode on base station, X1 would have full clocs or maybe even higher clocks. Eurogamer article also point that there is chance that actually Tegra X2 will be in final product.

Again, no Nvidia can't comment any business that is related to Nintendo if that is also under NDA agreement.

Of Course Nvidia will make some money from deal with Nintendo, of course they will not have Nintendo chips and technology for free (Lol), but they can have Nintendo good price and deal in order to win them. Like I wrote, I dont see what exactly here is hard to believe!?

There is no history AMD making complete product for PS and Xbox, and yet we have PS4 and XB1, history doesn't mean anything in business sense and when you want most sutible deal.

Actually it make sense if NX and new Shield tablet had same concept, handheld that can be used for TV play also, and when NX will sell Nvidia Tegra chips instead new Nvidia Shield Tablet.

That is just one rumour, and its not Eurogamer rumour, and point of that rumour is that Nvidia gave Nintendo good deal, not that Nvidia will make loss with that deal, like I wrotte, offcourse they will make money from deal, but its also important that NX will be showcased in gaming industry of Tegra capabilities and fact that will be part of gaming console market again.

Fact that AMD was partner for Nintendo doesn't mean anything if Nvidia have more suitable product and better deal for Nintendo.

 

This is what Iwata said one year later, in January 2014:

“Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated."

Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment."

 

Again, it didnt came just from Eurogamer, Wall Street Journal also confirmed Eurogamer infos, same goes for MWC and IGN, and few insajders on internet.

We know that X2 will Pascal based that is a new generation of Tegra, and that means better performance and less power consumption than X1.

Really!? Tell what exactly AMD chip is more suitable for handheld than Tegra X1 or sucsore X2!? Reality is that AMD don't have anything for mobile market.

Already answered..

 

Like I wrote, Actually nothing goes in favour of AMD, only thing you can say is that AND anuched design wins and nothing more, we dont have one single information pointing that AMD will be in NX. On other hand we have infos from multiply sources and sites stating NX using NVidia.

Eurogamer specifically said they confirmed from multiple sources, WSJ also said they confirmed from their sources. EG and WSJ are very realible sites with strong relationship and sources in industry, they are not some random internet sites.

Like I wrote, Eurogamer and WSJ and some other posting infos they heard from their own sources, and when post informations like that they are very confident about infos they posting, they don't posting every random rumour they hear, thats why they are considered for reliable sources.

I dont any hole at all, evrething make sense.

Actually I adressed every your point.