Pemalite said:
Soundwave said:
Does Nvidia have a 16nm FF+ processor available?
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Yes. nVidia's entire Geforce 1000 series is built on TSMC's 16nm FinFet.
fatslob-:O said:
Just to note, what TSMC calls "16nm" is just their rebranded 20nm node with FinFETs instead of an actual shrink so that already limits what nvidia can improve upon with Pascal Tegra when there's no shrink in geometries ...
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Just had to double check. And you are right.
20nm lithography process was modified for FinFETs and then branded as 16nm just because they believed the benefits were equivalent to a half-node increase.
Miyamotoo said:
No, I don't assume on single number only, I assume also that doesnt make sense at all to release another 720p console in 2017. after Wii U. With Wii U Nintendo clearly targeting 720p machine, and they achieve that, most of Nintendo Wii U games are 720p/60fps and even have some 1080p games, with NX they will most likely target 540p-720p for handheld only and 1080p with base unit for playing on TV, and that could be easily achieved with around 3x stronger hardware than Wii U has, and we all know that Wii U CPU and GPU are quite weak and have only 1GB RAM for games.
I didnt said Pascal will be game changer but definitely will make some difference instead Maxwell.
Also fact is that Nintendo always using custom chips for their hardware, so most likly X1, X2 or Pascal base chip will be custom made for Nintendo needs.
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1) Nintendo typically uses underpowered hardware, using Mobile Tegra hardware reinforces that fact, expect 720P.
If you want better hardware, buy a Playstation or a PC.
2) There is zero information reinforcing the idea that there will be a "Power boost" whilst docked/connected to the TV.
3) The Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 had most games at 720P like the Wii U, games on all 3 platforms look terrible by today's standards in regards to graphics.
The Xbox One and Playstation 4 despite having such a massive performance boost over the 360 and Playstation 3, still struggles to achieve 1080P across every title. - But you somehow expect the NX to be able to achieve 1080P? Like. Serioulsy? Even when the Xbox One and Playstation 4 can't even guarentee it? When their hardware eclipses the NX with ease? Just think about that for a little while. Or a long while. Logic says you are wrong here.
4) Tegra cannot hold a candle to Multi-Billion transister, monolithic chips with 100w+ TDP's that are driving 1080P and beyond experiences.
5) If Nintendo is using Tegra, then it's not a custom chip, it's semi-custom at most. Pascal in the Tegra X2 will not be a radical game changer, the laws of Physics is literally applying here. - Do you think Nintendo and nVidia can circumvent the laws of Physics? I think not.
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1) Of course i will not expect same resolution like Wii U has if NX have at least 2-3x more power, especially when Wii U already runned some 1080p games.
2) EG article specifically says "A base unit", that means that definitely base unit have some important function, and we already know that NX is hybrid, if game runs on handheld 540p or 720p I am sure it want be same resolution on TV.
3) Dont agree, some Wii U games looks beautiful even for today standards, Zelda WW HD, Toad's Treasure Tracker, Yoshi Woolly World, Mario Kart 8...beacuse they great art style Nintendo uses. Smash Bros and Zelda WW HD are 1080p games on Wii U, and you try to telly me that games like Toad's Treasure Tracker, Yoshi Woolly World (games that were actualy 720p/60fps)...wouldnt be 1080p on 3x stronger hardware than Wii U have!? No logic doesn't say I am wrong here.
4) Wii U have very outdated 45nm hardware (before 2010) and still runs some 1080p games with power consumption of 30W. So no you dont need 100w+ chips for 1080p resolution, espacily in 2017. and espacily for Nintendo games. Infos saying NX will maybe use X2 chip and that will be Pascal based, that basically means 2016/2017 tech and 16/20nm and around 3x more power than Wii U has, that si huge difrence.
5) They can use Tegra with small changes, than it is Tegra custom chip. Like I wrote, I didnt said Pascal will be game changer but definitely will make some difference instead Maxwell, for instance if that means around 30% less power consumption and say 20% better performance than alone make huge difference.
