Games that have the balls of not giving you any startup tutorial

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mZuzek said:

Intrinsic said:

No thats not a tutorial. I don't consider pop ups that you would typically see if you bothered to read a games manual as a tutorial. If u see a pop up that says press up to jump, that's not a tutorial. Cause if it were then we could consider every retro game that has such pop ups or info in their manuals as tutorials.

What I consider to be tutorials are when a level or obstacles are designed for the sole purpose of making you learn the controls and in extreme cases they even tell you what to do.

SoTC has u in a hall, you press buttons until ur dude makes a sound, horse appears. press buttons until the guy jumps on horse, press button until sword appears, then it tells u to focus the light to find ur for. that's it. 

doesn't tell u how to get there, how to beat it doesn't even tell you the amount of things you can do on your horse. you just figure shit out as you go.

most people play the entire game never knowing how to stand on the horse . 

I think he was talking about the "sort of natural tutorial" I mentioned. Not sure if he's played the game or not to judge it, though.

The game does have a "sort of" tutorial, as you're about to begin the first battle. It's a level that is clearly designed with a lot of obstacles and things you can climb, that ultimately works as a way for you to learn the game's basics before heading into your first boss (where you'll have to use all that again). I wouldn't call it a proper tutorial, though - unless we call something like A Link to the Past's introduction at the castle a tutorial as well, in which case everything is.

And lol I beat the game a shitload of times and I still don't know how to stand on the horse. Hell up until a few days ago I didn't even know you could jump stab (would come in pretty handy on the 15th boss, besides being super awesome).

I just beat SotC a few days ago

If the game tells you "Press X to jump" that's still a tutorial. It's teaching you the basics, and telling you specifically how to do it.