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DonFerrari said:
Machiavellian said:

On the PS3, I purchase the system because it had the games I wanted.  I care not if Sony took a loss on the system or made a profit.  If the price was outside of my range or I felt it was overprice I would not purchase the system.  Just like any consumer I evaluate my purchase based on preceived value.  If I do not see the value I do not make the purchase.  The same thing for PS+.  Online Peer to Peer MP does not need a service.  If there is a service there needs to be value added features.  If Sony only reason to add MP to PS+ is for Profit then they need to do better.  Just accepting what a company does and not push them to do more will always lead the company to complacentcy. 

Way to move the goalpost right?

But ok since we won't have anything fruitfull of this conversation I'll just say 21M users saw the value, you don't, ok.

Let me ask you this question.  Out of those 21M users, if asked if they see the value in adding MP to PS+ or do they feel they were forced to accept it since they bought a PS4.  I am not sure we are talking about the same thing.  If the PS3 was evident how people viewed PS+ when MP was free, I would say that people did not see the value of PS+ until Sony forced MP into the plan and thus games HAD to purchase it in order to play online.  If anything you prove my point that Online play had to be added to PS+ in order for Sony to sell the service.  Are you sure you are thinking your argument through.