Where are the feminists?

[Teeqoz]

setsunatenshi said:

Teeqoz said:

No, what is pretend is saying feminists are only about woman>men. Sure, there are some manhaters and feminazis who are self-proclaimed feminists (even though they aren't), but they are both a) in the minority (by far) and b) by definition not feminists. If you want to include them as feminists because they say they are, okay then, but then you have to keep in mind that they are a tiny minority of feminists. Communism is about a classless society with means of production and transport of products owned by everyone. First of all, China isn't even communist, they only pretend to be (funnily enough, like the feminazis pretend to be feminists), all their actions show that China is capitalistic as fuck. The class mentality is stronger in China than nearly any nation out there, and the means of production and transport are privatively owned. They are about as communistic as the US. North Korea is also not a communist state, but I'm to lazy to go into detail here either. Both countries are riddled with corruption, so whatever ideology they have are irrelevant. The authoritarian regimes are what causes the problems, not their ideology.

 

1. Okay, if you want to include the radical minority of feminazis together with normal feminists, fine. But then acknowledge that they are in a small minority. Saying "Feminism isn't about equality, it's only about women>men" is about as errouneous as saying "Islam isn't about their religious beliefs, it's only about killing people who oppose them". Sure, there exist Islamist terror organisations, but they are in the vast minority. 

2. "Feminism has several ridiculous claims" - how can feminism "have" anything? Some feminists have several ridiculous claims, but again, they are in the minority.

3. Egalitarianism and feminism stands for much of the same, except egalitarianism is a broader reaching thing, also demanding equality for all economic backgrounds, social classes, etc. It is related to communism and socialism in that regard.

4. Communist want a classless society and state owned (or publicly owned, you don't necessarily need a state there) means of production and transport of goods. If you want those, yes, you are a communist.

1- why should i acknowledge those are a minority? what studies do you have to back that claim up? I said there are different types of feminism and that by itself indicates there's no 1 minority, there might be plenty of minorities that in the end could make up quite the majority. I can tell you though that the most prominent and vocal feminists nowadays are what you.

Maybe check the simple wiki on feminism and you'll see how many different types there are. Here ya go, hope it helps:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_movements_and_ideologies

(let's not get started on islam or religion comparisons, it would take us way off topic)

 

2- how can feminism have anything? there's such a thing as a 'feminist theory'. Again wiki is your friend, but just to give an example:

"Themes explored in feminism include discrimination, objectification (especially sexual objectification), oppression, patriarchy,^[3][4] stereotyping, art history^[5] andcontemporary art,^[6][7] and aesthetics."

on pathriarchy, again from the standpoint of feminist theory:

"Feminist theory defines patriarchy as an unjust social system that enforces gender roles and is oppressive to both men and women." " Feminist theory typically characterizes patriarchy as a social construction, which can be overcome by revealing and critically analyzing its manifestations."

 

3- if a person really is for equality of opportunity regardless of gender, they should simply call themselves egalitarian. if they decide to consciously call themselves feminists, then they are saying something more than so called 'equality between genders'.

 

4- you just proved my point. the same way you can't say 'if you're in favour of equality for genders, you're a feminist', you also can't say 'if you're in favor of equality and no social classes dividing the people, you are a communist'

both terms include a lot more than that 1 definition, so yes, of course it's insane to say someone is a feminist or communist just because they may agree with one of the tenants of both beliefs

Okay fine, I acknowledge that only using the dictionary definition of feminism doesn't cover the whole picture (but talking about feminist theory is overcomplicating the matter. Do you think most feminist have read up on "feminist theory"? Your little excerpt from wikipedia also doesn't state anything about patriarchy being something universally believed in in feminism, just that it's one of the "themes explored" in feminism. It also brings us to what Pokoko said, it's the reality that matters. Just like the communist manifesto seems pretty jolly good in theory, that's not how it has worked in practice, it doesn't matter what is so called "feminist theory" if it doesn't reflect the standpoints of most feminists). But I stand by my original statement that "it's not about equality, it's about women>men" is complete bullshit. 

I also explained to you, egalitarianism is a much broader term than feminism. Egalitarianism is closely related to socialism and communism. Egalitarianism is about equality for everyone regardless of everything, not just gender. I am both a feminist and an egalitarianist though.