EU referendum -UK users

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MikeRox said:

Scoobes said:

 

Furthermore, by experts, I don't just mean economists. I'm talking about people from a whole range of different industries that both campaigns seem to have forgotten about. For instance, in my own sector (science and technology), leaving the EU would have a detrimental effect on our ability to influence research direction, reduce funding for collaborative academic projects overseen by the EU, reduce the ability of industry startups to get funding and collaborate with experts across the continent, and seriously dent their ability to get skilled workers who may have niche skills that are exceedingly rare in the UK alone. 

Anyway, sorry for the wall of text. I do kind of wish the politicians would just shut up for the last couple of weeks and the media would just concentrate on the views of people and groups outside the political spheres. No surprise, but there was this article in the Independent today that shows most people are still ignorant of the facts concerning the EU:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-british-public-wrong-about-nearly-everything-survey-shows-a7074311.html

See now I can see why you are in favour of remain particularly for science. I can see that field having negative drawbacks. Ironically considering the above on economists, I'm a business graduate and work for a financial company based in Leeds, but I live in the North and have seen a side to the EU many have been sheltered from in other places.

I'm not going to rebut what you have put for your main post because what you put could well be true. I believe things would pan out differently, i.e. with the currency devaluations etc. Countries could get themselves into better long term financial positions etc and have actually reduced hardship in the future. This is unknown either way, all the models are based on the past, yet most of our more recent issues have been unprecedented making it impossible to argue either way.

I agree both sides have been at best stretching the truth. My views how how the UK could be more successful outside the UK thankfully aren't guided by their bizarre claims and assertions. I could go into a lot more detail as to why I think the way I do but it would create a ridiculous wall of text and I don't particularly disagree with how you have reached your outcome to vote remain.

The lack of understanding of the EU from so many people (particularly the more vocal ones I know) in both camps is rather alarming. I did actually at least study about the EU whilst at university. I was actually very pro EU up until a couple of years ago. It is their mishandling of various crisis and complete contempt for what the European population are telling them that has swung me. In fact, I only firmly decided I was voting Brexit this week.

As for the bolded, you only wish they would shut up for a couple of weeks? XD

Well, if they could shut up for longer then that would be ideal!

You are certainly one of the more informed people I've spoken to about the topic and even though we disagree, I can at least understand where you're coming from. The EU in recent years certainly hasn't helped itself or its image. It's actually nice to be able to have a proper debate on the topic rather than grumbling over regurgitated rhetoric.