When is murder justified by self-defense?

[Azuren]

Teeqoz said:

vivster said:

I'm only talking about violent crimes. Every violent crime that deserves a life long imprisonment, deserves death. Of course there are more crimes that deserve death but they are harder to quantify. Would need new laws.

In a perfect world all people that willingly and seriously harm their fellow humans should be greated by instant death. They have nothing to give society and only take away from it.

So just let me get this clear, once and for all, your original statement didn't in fact relate to all violent crimes, but only serious violent crimes that deserves life long imprisonment? Because your wording at first literally said "If a person wants to willingly physically harm another person it always deserves death." But from what you have further replied in this discussion, it seems that your opinion isn't that extreme, and seems a lot more reasonable to me, regardless of how much or little I disagree (and for the record, I still disagree).

Azuren said:

It's clear that Teeqoz doesn't want to discuss just the violent crimes where guilt is proven without a shadow of doubt. He wants to generalize all crime together to discredit you by claiming you want death penalties for misdemeanors, and then to question the vague line between normal and ultrviolent crime.

 

And Teeqoz, please stop doing that. There are laws and regulations that determines how violent a crime is, but I'm sure Viv isn't a lawyer and therefore likely incapable of giving you the lawyer answer you seem to be craving. It's clear you have more faith in people, and that Vivster does not. 

And Azuren, please stop assuming shit about what I want and don't want to discuss and how I want to discuss it, as you clearly don't know what I'm thinking (surprise surprise).

I don't need to assume, because it's all you've been doing in this thread.