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Teeqoz on 02 June 2016
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Aeolus451 said:
Teeqoz said:

Nature didn't intend anything. Nature doesn't intend. Evolution just occurs and whatever works best will get to continue. So what works best is what will be further improved upon. However, the situation around evolution always changes and evolution often spend a couple million years to catch up if the situation changes drastically (and you can bet human society has made the situation changes bloody drastically). So right now, we as a society have to circumwent evolution. By doing that, we aren't going against what nature "intended", because a) Nature doesn't intend anything and b) It's in our "nature" to "defy" nature. Just look at your laptop and ask yourself "is that natural?" (which, btw, it actually is, due to point b) itself. Humans have naturally evolved to exploit nature in ways that couldn't occur by themselves in nature. So that sorta makes it natural after all.)

"Nature" intended is what we were evolved to do. Humans have a higher level of intelligence and hands. It's the tools we got from evolution to adapt to the world we live in and we use them to the fullest for good or bad. You can try to debate that we're defying nature or circumventing evolution all you want but we're really not. Every tool or invention or concept we ever had is a product of what evolution gave us. 

We are agreeing in a sense. Like I said "Humans have naturally evolved to exploit nature in ways that couldn't occur by themselves in nature. So that sorta makes it natural after all."

 

I thought you were arguing that "x and y isn't right because it's not what nature intended", so my point was that anything humans do, including "circumventing" evolution and nature is ultimately a result of evolution and nature itself, so nothing is, per se unnatural. But I now think that I just misunderstood you.