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Dulfite on 21 May 2016
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Ka-pi96 said:
Dulfite said:

 

Let's just count one generation so as best to compare:

1 The Last of Us PS3 2013 Action Sony Computer Entertainment Europe 2.40 2.25 0.28 1.01 5.95
1 Halo 3 X360 2007 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 7.96 2.83 0.13 1.21 12.13
1 Super Mario Galaxy Wii 2007 Platform Nintendo 6.16 3.39 1.20 0.75 11.50
2 Super Mario Galaxy 2 Wii 2010 Platform Nintendo 3.65 2.40 0.98 0.64 7.66

Halo 3 and SMG1 were basically a tie (never know with VGC numbers what the margin of error is) and both SMG outlod TTOU by a LONG shot. And you brought up two of the best selling games that generation on the hd twins and compared it to two games that sold a lot, but no where near what the biggest sellers were:

1 Wii Sports Wii 2006 Sports Nintendo 41.48 29.00 3.77 8.46 82.72
2 Mario Kart Wii Wii 2008 Racing Nintendo 15.84 12.85 3.79 3.30 35.78
3 Wii Sports Resort Wii 2009 Sports Nintendo 15.74 10.98 3.28 2.96 32.96
4 Wii Play Wii 2006 Misc Nintendo 14.03 9.19 2.93 2.85 29.00
5 New Super Mario Bros. Wii Wii 2009 Platform Nintendo 14.59 7.04 4.70 2.26 28.58
6 Wii Fit Wii 2007 Sports Nintendo 8.94 8.03 3.60 2.15 22.71
7 Wii Fit Plus Wii 2009 Sports Nintendo 9.09 8.57 2.53 1.79 21.98
8 Super Smash Bros. Brawl Wii 2008 Fighting Nintendo 6.74 2.59 2.66 1.01 13.00

These are all games that sold better than Galaxy 1 and 2. Every single one, by the way, is an actual Nintendo IP that is owned by them (total of 266.73 million sold). Now let's look at the top chunk for ps3 and 360.

PS3 numbers: Total of 103.39 million. That is 163.34 mill LESS units sold in software in the top 8. Now, let's see how many of those are actually owned by Sony. 1 for a total of 10.75 million sold. Nintendo 1st party absolutely destroyed Sony first party.

1 Grand Theft Auto V PS3 2013 Action Take-Two Interactive 6.95 9.17 0.96 4.22 21.30
2 Call of Duty: Black Ops II PS3 2012 Shooter Activision 4.98 5.86 0.64 2.52 14.01
3 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 PS3 2011 Shooter Activision 5.53 5.79 0.49 1.62 13.43
4 Call of Duty: Black Ops PS3 2010 Shooter Activision 5.97 4.43 0.48 1.83 12.71
5 Gran Turismo 5 PS3 2010 Racing Sony Computer Entertainment 2.96 4.86 0.81 2.13 10.75
6 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 PS3 2009 Shooter Activision 4.98 3.67 0.38 1.63 10.66
7 Grand Theft Auto IV PS3 2008 Action Take-Two Interactive 4.75 3.74 0.44 1.61 10.54
8 Call of Duty: Ghosts PS3 2013 Shooter Activision 4.08 3.72 0.38 1.81 9.99

360: 117.58 million sold total. 2 games owned by Microsoft for a total of 33.92 million units sold. Nintendo destroyed Microsoft first party.

1 Kinect Adventures! X360 2010 Misc Microsoft Game Studios 14.96 4.92 0.24 1.67 21.79
2 Grand Theft Auto V X360 2013 Action Take-Two Interactive 9.52 5.25 0.06 1.35 16.18
3 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 X360 2011 Shooter Activision 9.01 4.26 0.13 1.32 14.72
4 Call of Duty: Black Ops X360 2010 Shooter Activision 9.63 3.70 0.11 1.12 14.56
5 Call of Duty: Black Ops II X360 2012 Shooter Activision 8.24 4.28 0.07 1.12 13.70
6 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 X360 2009 Shooter Activision 8.51 3.61 0.08 1.29 13.49
7 Halo 3 X360 2007 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 7.96 2.83 0.13 1.21 12.13
8 Grand Theft Auto IV X360 2008 Action Take-Two Interactive 6.75 3.09 0.14 1.02 11.01

In conclusion, you brought that generation up and Nintendo 1st party software on the Wii alone in the top 8 positions Nintendo outsold drastically in general, but ESPECIALLY amongst 1st party titles.

So you're going to bring the Wii games in to this? Which completely flopped this gen and are practically 'non-existent' now...

Besides, compare any other gen and Nintendo certainly isn't always that strong. PS hasn't yet got an exclusive that has outsold the best selling Wii U exclusive, but with how successful Uncharted 4 looks to be it may well have soon.

So what of gen 6?

3. Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec 2001 Racing Sony Computer Entertainment 6.85 5.09 1.87 1.16 14.98
1. Super Smash Bros. Melee 2001 Fighting Nintendo 4.41 1.04 1.39 0.22 7.07
1. Halo 2 2004 Shooter Microsoft Game Studios 6.82 1.53 0.05 0.08 8.49

Sony had the highest selling 1st party game that generation, by quite a large margin as well. Not only that but Microsoft's best selling 1st party game also outsold Nintendo's best, on a console with a comparable install base no less.

Gen 5?

1. Super Mario 64 1996 Platform Nintendo 6.91 2.85 1.91 0.23 11.89
1. Gran Turismo 1997 Racing Sony Computer Entertainment 4.02 3.87 2.54 0.52 10.95

Super Mario 64 sold more than Gran Turismo, yes. But it's not exactly a large difference.

Besides, you haven't addressed the most important point. If people don't want Nintendo 1st party games now (if they did they would have bought a Wii U) why is having 3rd party games alone suddenly going to make Nintendo's 1st party more appealing?

As far as I see it it's simply not possible for Nintendo to 'wipe the floor globally' unless Sony screws up because the PlayStation brand is just that strong. Even when Sony did screw up (PS3) and Nintendo had their most successful home console to date the gap is still less than 20m. Yes, they could win a generation, but it's going to take a more than just getting 3rd party support to do that.

1) You brought up the 360/ps3 generation by saying Halo 3 and TLOU. That is not my fault. If you wannt compare gen 6 or 5 or whatever gen, I'd be happy to, but you brought up that gen.

2) What on Earth makes you think people don't want 1st party Nintendo games now? Notice the 1st party game sales. Yes they are less than Wii but that is because a TON less Wii U's have sold and will sell compared to Wii. In fact, there were 7.8 x more Wii's sold than Wii U's (as of today) So you'd think that would mean that 1st party game sales would be 7.8x less using your logic right? Wii U top 8 sales are 35.02 million units sold makes it 7.6 x less. Which means that proportionally, the amount of people buying 1st party games per console has increased, slightly, by .2 times, hardly a decrease let alone fulfilling your opinion of "people don't want Nintendo 1st party games now (if they did they would have bought a Wii U)."

3) And you proved a massive point by showing how Nintendo still has the best selling exclusive this gen despite having a massive amount less hardware sold.

4) Playstation as hardware is incredibly strong, because 3rd parties made it. Their 1st software itself isn't that strong. And if the Wii had HD tech like the ps3, the gap would have been an insane amount larger than 20 mil. People wanted Wii's, but they also wanted high definition games (which the Wii couldn't provide) so a lot of people ended up with two devices. If people could have played hd multiplatform games from 3rd parties on the Wii a ton of them wouldn't have bought a ps3 I'm sure.

1 Mario Kart 8 WiiU 2014 Racing Nintendo 3.09 2.00 1.23 0.49 6.81
2 New Super Mario Bros. U WiiU 2012 Platform Nintendo 2.33 1.23 1.27 0.30 5.13
3 Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and 3DS WiiU 2014 Fighting Nintendo 2.75 1.02 0.77 0.36 4.90
4 Nintendo Land WiiU 2012 Misc Nintendo 2.54 1.09 0.46 0.33 4.41
5 Splatoon WiiU 2015 Shooter Nintendo 1.69 1.09 1.32 0.27 4.36
6 Super Mario 3D World WiiU 2013 Platform Nintendo 2.09 1.07 0.72 0.30 4.17
7 Super Mario Maker WiiU 2015 Platform Nintendo 1.15 0.82 0.87 0.19 3.02
8 New Super Luigi U WiiU 2013 Platform Nintendo 1.27 0.61 0.18 0.16 2.22
9 Wii Party U WiiU 2013 Misc Nintendo 0.33 0.52 0.83 0.08 1.76
10 The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker WiiU 2013 Action Nintendo 0.89 0.52 0.14 0.12 1.67
11 Mario Party 10 WiiU 2015 Misc Nintendo 0.68 0.48 0.23 0.11 1.49
12 Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze WiiU 2014 Platform Nintendo 0.71 0.47 0.15 0.11 1.45
13 Hyrule Warriors WiiU 2014 Action Nintendo 0.61 0.41 0.13 0.09 1.24
14 Yoshi's Woolly World WiiU 2015 Platform Nintendo 0.58 0.45 0.11 0.10 1.24
15 Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker WiiU 2014 Puzzle Nintendo 0.55 0.34 0.19 0.09 1.16
16 Pikmin 3 WiiU 2013 Strategy Nintendo 0.43 0.29 0.29 0.06 1.07