Lawlight said:
1. So, the classic Mission Impossible disguise? Ok, fair enough - it's a comic book movie after all. 2. Not sure how Cap got to Hungary before the joint anti-terrorism task force but ok. 3. Thanks for going into that much detail but I should have been more precise. I know Zemo did but how the hell did he think that that plan would work? Why not just send the footage to Stark when they captured Winter Soldier? Iron Man and Cap was there. He goes through all that trouble on the assumption that all 3 of them would make it to Hydra's secret base in Syberia at the same time? 4. Sorry but no matter the age of Spider-Man, he's stronger, faster, more durable and smarter than Cap. One punch from him and Cap would be out of commission. And Cap is able to fight Iron Man - that says it all. Was Stark pulling his punches? In the end, anyway, it's all good. As if nothing happened, basically. |
1. The technology exists in the universe, as it was sort of important in Winter Soldier. They also mention he was using it to portray the doctor, so it seems logical that he was using it to impersonate Bucky.
2. It's not exactly stated, but Cap was able to go on his own. That means less red tape to go through, less planning and coordination involved, and less precautions taken. I believe he may still have had access to quinjets which would be faster than what the other guys were using. I don't remember all the details, but I believe Cap was coming from England (Peggy's funeral), and the other guys were American, so they may have been travelling from further away.
3. I'm not sure he didn't want to send the video to Iron Man, or leak it. The video was in Siberia. He saw Cap, Iron Man, and Bucky arrive together and was like happy birthday to me. I'm not sure if he would have revealed himself if that hadn't happened. He had already succeeded in driving a major rift in the Avengers. Even if he didn't fully succeed, half of the Avengers were still in prison, and one Avenger had paralyzed another, while public sentiment was at an all time low. It worked out that thinks worked out as he planned, but I think he might have had a chance to escape if they didn't.
Basically, this was Zemo hitting a home run. But even if that last part had worked out, he still would have hit a triple. And he may not have even been out yet. It was the type of plan that really didn't need to have everything go perfectly to be a success.
4. Did Spider-man actually land a punch on him? I don't think so. Cap has not only fought in wars, but he's also had experience fighting super powered foes. Spider-man to this point has fought muggers and such. Cap used his inexperience to use his webbing against him to win.
If you've read the early comics, this kind of happens to Spider-man, alot. He's frequently caught off guard by guys like the Kingpin who has no super powers, getting hit off guard by one of Kraven's gadgets and stuff like that. In the early days, which he was clearly based on in this movie, he wasn't especially great at using his Spider-sense. In the movie, Spider-man specifically mentions his difficulty with the overwhelming sensory perception. Even guys like the Vulture (a flying geriatric) and the Shocker give him problems.
Kraven the Hunter, slightly more powerful than Captain America in the comics, was able to hold his own against Spider-man in his early days. Movie Captain America seems to be significantly stronger than his comic book (616) version, so Kraven is probably a good measuring stick. An even less experienced Spider-man shouldn't have a significant advantage against Cap.
Spider-man is definitely stronger, but considering all the factors, Cap winning was really not surprising. Frank Mir was able to defeat Brock Lesnar in Lesnar's debut despite being incredibly outmatched physically.
Cap has beaten Iron Man a couple of times in the comics. Cap is a MUCH better fighter. A 90 year old powerless Cap was able to fight Iron Man (with an Iron Man suit of his own). That kind of shows how much more skilled he is that he could fight Iron Man with armor he has much less experience in, and no sort of enhanced reflexes.
As for the movie, if you watch the fight, Iron Man isn't really trying to fight Cap, let alone kill him. He's laser focussed on the Winted Soldier, and a lot of the hits Cap lands is because he's distracted. He's mostly trying to swat him away to chase after Bucky. That allows Cap to damage his thrusters. Once his thrusters are out, Iron Man is at a huge disadvantage in terms of speed and maneuverabilty. He's much slower than Bucky or Cap individually.
Tony only seems to be really fighting Cap once he realizes he can't get Bucky without dealing with Cap. By that time he's forced into a hand to hand battle, as he can't get enough distance for a ranged fight. While Iron Man is more durable overall, they only really needed to hit five targets. With the two thrusters down, his repulsor rays down, and his unibeam down, Iron Man was done.
Some of these things may be unlikely (although not really impossible IMO), but there's nothing that seems anywhere close to impossible.
On a side note, I didn't at any point feel in any way confused about what was going on. In terms of location, they tell you pretty much every time they make some kind of jump, and why they were there was always pretty well explained. I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Is there any example you can give?
