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JustBeingReal said:

Wii U lost 3rd party support because of when it launched, the low power tech, alien architecture and platform performance balance. Nintendo's approach wasn't conducive to getting 3rd party interested. If NX is going to be the opposite of Wii and Wii U, then it's going to be designed to appeal to the market that can actually cause Nintendo to have business growth, not the opposite of that.

NX will have the same launch problems. The wii u was similar to the x360, ps3 was the console with alien architecture. I already linked multiple sources where developer just talked about how simple it is to port from x360 to wii u.

Because of Nintendo's past approach and lack of consideration in hardware design, continuing this line of thinking is why Wii U has sold so badly, a different approach will change that. Wii U had the wrong system architecture, was built on tech that was already unattractive to PS3 and 360 owners, provided nothing new for them. The system was also outshone by the reveal of other 8th gen consoles, thus it was sent out to die, without a chance of putting up a fight.

That is maybe your thinking, but definitly it wont be the thinking of many third parties and they wont risk to invest much money into NX development for multiple reasons like mid cycle release, image, failing in the past, not enough ressources.

Many Developer already are used to the 3 system development (ps4, xbox one, pc). They dont have ressources/team yet for another one and they wont build them up just because the nx might be succesfull. What you want nintendo to do is exactly the same they did with the gamecube and it wasnt a success either.

This isn't enough, it doesn't give these gamers anything new from a gameplay perspective, people are definitely into better performance, 60 million 8th PS4 and Xbox One owners in 2 and a half years proves this and the fact that those sales are on the increase shows that the market is now interested more in moving to the current gen.

Mabye not enough for you. People arnt into better performance, ps4/xbox one just prooving them. Those systems are selling like hotcakes while they were already underpowerd compared to pc in their first days.

The fact PS4 has sold as well as it has shows that people want good value, with performance, which is exactly what the market for future console sales is about, not the same old level of tech at a cheaper price, it brings nothing to the table as far as the actual gameplay experience.

The Ps4 didnt bring much "new gameplay experience" to the table. Uncharted 4 isnt much different from previous titles. Just better grpahics, graphics a 2011 pc can handle.

You're just supporting my points here. Nintendo didn't build Wii U to make porting games easy from PS3 and 360, the generation was already nearly over and Nintendo didn't make a platform for the next one, they just did what suits them, something that wasn't condusive to actually enticing 3rd party gamers to a new platform and certainly not a system that can get it's share of the market going forward. Too little too late, but we're not at that point in the life of PS4 and XB1 yet, there's still a huge 150 million plus people up grabs that were dedicated console owners last gen, plus a new generation of players, who will choose Sony or Microsoft if they don't have an alternative, NX has to be that alternative, it can't be something that only offers the market a level of tech and games that have been around for nearly a decade.

Again the Wii U was very similar to the x360 and i already gave many sources here about how easy porting is.

It's not, tbh you're not really grasphing how the market works and certainly not what the markets are.

You've ignored where I said I don't think NX is just a more capable PS4, I said it's an OS, that can flexibly run games on a variety of different devices, all that can play games on the level of current consoles, but also be upgraded with new hardware iterations as the tech becomes affordable.

That already available and no invention or something completly new. Its called windows/steam OS and PC.

 

 

It's a matter of the devices case size, not the chips specifically, I've talked about heat output before and meeting power needs.

Polaris can easily offer sufficient performance, in a very low level of power consumption. Hell Wii U's gamepad is bigger than the console, yet the console can handle 33 watts of power consumption, which is a lower level of energy consumpion than notebooks require and I've already dealt with the issues of how much power a cheap battery can supply.

batterys arnt just mah. A ventilor in a nintendo handheld will never happen. The gamepad is not bigger as the wii u. 

Even a 10 watt Polaris GPU produces 655GFlops, Excavator CPU Cores are very low on power consumption, at 28nm, a full Carrizo APU, with 8 CUs (800Gflops), 4 CPU cores can vary clock speeds and only use about 15 watts for the whole SOC, for a whole 14nm package, using AMD Zen CPU cores in 2017 they can probably ramp GPU performance and curb stomp Excavator's CPU performance.

655 Gflops is just 2-3x as much as the wii u, far from ps4´s level. Even 10 wattage ULV´s need ventilator and have low battery life.

 

See reply in bold above.

 

 

 

JustBeingReal said:

You're thinking in a way too limited way here, low performance in a handheld and a console/set top box doesn't make any sense, because there's no no that will be enticed to buy it when they already have devices that are more capable than that.

There were 150 mio people who bought a DS and 100mio+ people who bought gameboys even if most of them probl had way more powerfull devices.

There are million of people who buy apple Tv and co as well.