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farlaff said:
JWeinCom said:

Not exactly.  The super soldier serum puts Steve Rogers at the peak of human potential.  In the comics, that means being able to bench about 800 lbs, but in the ultimate universe he's significantly stronger and was able to stand toe to toe with hulk..  In the movie universe, they never exactly explain how strong he is, but it seems that across the movies, he's been consistently stronger than Spider-man. Speaking of Cap and Spiderman, they were able to take down the Hulk together. So if Cap and Spider-man can take down the Hulk, Winter Soldier and Cap taking out an emotionally disturbed Iron Man doesn't seem like a stretch.

Cap should have had an easy time with Spidey in this movie.  Strength difference aside, Spider-man is still young, and not a trained fighter.  He mentions specifically how he's overwhelmed by his senses.  Captain America is far more experienced in combat.  And btw, Captain America did fight Spiderman in the Civil War Comic and he came out of it ok.

Cap has consistently been shown to be a match for Iron Man.  He's far more skilled, and like we saw in the movie, he can target specific parts of the armor.  Plus, he wasn't alone in the fight as he had Bucky with him. If you don't like that, you'd have to blame the source material rather than the movie.

That's really besides the point.  Yes, he knew that it was a Hydra Agent, but why couldn't an agent of Hydra, or some other organization, infliltrate the UN?  And in fact, that is almost exactly what happened in the movie.  Zemo infiltrated the UN and turned Bucky all Winter Soldier again.  That's just one instance, but why couldn't that happen higher in the hierarchy?  Remember SHIELD is an organization specifically designed for espionage, and even they became compromised.  The UN is far less prepared for something like this than SHIELD was.

And Cap didn't want to be the one to take Bucky in just cause he was awesome, or entirely to keep Bucky safe.  Cap also recognized that Bucky was incredibly dangerous, and likely being mind controlled.  However, even when being controlled, Bucky saved Cap in the last movie, something we were reminded of.  Cap thought he had the best chance of being able to reach him as opposed to others who may be killed in the struggle.  There are several factors involved.


As for your main complaint, how do you suggest they work it out?  You're ignoring the fact that Tony and Cap shaking hands and agreeing to disagree wouldn't have solved much.  There were other forces at play.  If Iron Man says "hey you're right Cap" then they're all fugitives from the law, and their are going to be a lot of people after then, not least of all the US government (Ross tends to be very stubborn on these things) and the Wakandan army (which has crazy technology and just had two national tragedy involving Avengers members).  Then the Avengers spend time running from the government instead of doing anything productive.  With 170 nations against them

Cap agreeing would mean that Bucky dies, and the Avengers are controlled by an unweildy at best and compromised at worst organization.  If there's anything Cap's shown over the years is that he's principled and loyal. 

I just kind of don't see the compromise here.  At best they could temporarily put their differences aside till they deal with Zemo (which makes Tony Stark and the rest of his team accessories to a crime), but that wouldn't be a long term solution.

 

 

No offense, but it seems like you didn't really want to like this movie.  In your OP, you say that Captain America was a mediocre character, then you're complaining about Captain America doing the kinds of Captain America stuff he does in the comics.  So, it seems pretty likely that you weren't going to like this. 

I take none. And I really wanted to like this movie, especially after what TAoU was. But YOU do much a better job at getting points explained than the movie ever tries to, so my view stands.

The reason I do a better job of explaining things than the movie does is because... I'm not a movie.  I don't have to be exciting and engaging at all times, I don't have a plot to convey in a limited amount of time, I don't have to make sure my dialogue flows naturally, and so on.  I don't have to be the least bit subtle about it.  My only job is to explain it to you.  If Iron Man and Captain America sat their spitting out exposition, it would make for a really clunky and boring film.

But, I didn't have some special ability or anything that allowed me to get these points.  I think that they were all pretty easy inferences to make from the film.  It's far better when movies show you instead of telling you, and respect their audience enough to not bludgeon them with exposition.