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Aielyn on 28 April 2016
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S.Peelman said:
I was always under the impression that this was about holiday periods: either holiday 2016 or holiday 2017. Anyway to be fair, clearly the intention was holiday 2016, before they screwed it up again.

But whatever, my name isn't on that list!

The NX will not release for holiday 2016. So its first holiday will be 2017. And no, it's not "clearly the intention" of holiday 2016. If their intention had been to release it in 2016, they would have announced Zelda NX before now, and they would have gotten dev kits, etc, out earlier.

RolStoppable said:
Oh, so you have the role of the referee? Then you should remember the arguments that led you to make the thread.

Can you say in good consciousness that the arguments for a 2017 launch were closer to reality than the ones for 2016?

Yes, the arguments for a 2017 launch generally were closer to reality - they pretty much all said "there's no way that Nintendo will rush it out in 2016, resulting in too few titles available for its first holiday season". The ones saying 2016 were all arguing that Nintendo had to act quickly, and there was no way they'd wait until after the 2016 holiday season. Even you, in your quote below...

RolStoppable said:
Wright said:

Sometimes, Rol, you just have to cave in and just flat out admit that Nintendo dun goofed you. There's no other way. :P

Sorry, Wright, but this isn't about me. Here's my post:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7840203

The only way that NX isn't going to launch in 2016 is if Nintendo has to delay it, similar to what happened to the 3DS.

When Nintendo's investors are being told by the president of the company (Kimishima) that NX is going to be a key contributor to profits in the fiscal year that ends March 2017, well... that immediately rules out an NX launch in April 2017 or later. And if you consider that the biggest part of video game sales happens during the holiday quarter, that pretty much rules out January to March 2017 as the NX launch period as well. After all, Nintendo expects NX to contribute to their bottom line in a notable manner.

So that's why NX will launch in late 2016. This goes for the home console and the handheld. How can Nintendo manage launches of two devices so close to each other? They'll be able to support both of them with software because those two devices will share a good chunk of their game library. Naturally, this will also create a strong overlap as far as marketing goes.

Lastly, the software pipelines for the Wii U and 3DS have been drying up as far as first party software goes, so this too points to Nintendo preparing for a 2016 launch.

Good luck spinning that as me being wrong.

But I like to argue. And the people who really deserve to eat crow after today's news are those who were saying that the Wii U will have another year of games, that the console won't be replaced before its fifth birthday.

"that pretty much rules out January to March 2017 as the NX launch period as well." - You were wrong. It didn't even remotely rule out early 2017. Your argument was literally "there is no chance that Nintendo will skip the 2016 holiday season".

I really do love how you accuse others of spinning when your own argument is literally contrary to what Nintendo said and did, while calling out others for saying "it won't be replaced before its fifth birthday", which I don't recall anybody saying. What many said was that there was good reason to wait until about 5 years after Wii U launch.

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I was quite clear in saying that the only way that NX would release in 2016 was if it's a handheld version with a console version in late 2017. Based on what has been said now, it seems clear it's not two separate devices, and thus that part of my argument becomes null and void. I suggested that Nintendo *should* wait until late 2017, or even until 2018... but I never asserted that they would wait that long. The one part I was confident in was that they weren't going to have it (barring a handheld version) ready for holiday 2016. All signs, in my view, were pointing at 2017, with the exact timing being a matter of details.