| spurgeonryan said: But Mr Robert Downey, Despite Nolan being a genious and pushing Batman to new heights, no other Batman or Superman ever got anywhere near a billion. It is not that it was a bad movie, it is that they were trying to start a DC universe on a movie that was supposed to be BvsS. Too much was shoved in and many do not even realize it. I watched it three times before going on youtube to find out more. So despite how much was shoved in they failed to even show most of what was to come. Next time they need to pace themselves. No more big baddie at the end either. I am glad this baddie is done with, he was lame. Probably worse than apocalypse looks like in the upcoming xmen movie. Anyways, it is not stellar, not that the billion dollar mark is some magical number that all big movies need to get to, but 900 million plus (hopefully) is just good enough. Snyder may be done though. Hopefully not, he just needs to see what was done wrong and like Spidey 3, studios need to stay off his back. |
I'm simply submitting that the brand is good enough to produce that by itself. When you look at Marvel Phase 1 only Iron Man even made a half billion yet the Avengers made 1.5 BILLION! So crossing over should have produced a MUCH higher mulitplier. and yet it went DOWN from previous films. I mean the Dark Knight Rises wasn't great but even it made a billion.
I do agree that the main problem was shoving too much in. Batman and Superman meeting is a movie on its own. And it had to happen AFTER you had estabslihed Batman and Superman in the same continuity. They not only tried to introduce the new Batman while making him hate Superman but they ALSO made Superman die, doomsday come and go, introduce Lex, oh yeah and let's introduce Wonder Woman and blow the wad on her before her solo movie.
It's not just that this movie wasn't good. It has ruined SO much stuff for the future of the DCEU. You can't have an awesome Death of Superman story now (should have happened in Justice League Part 2). Like nobody cared about it because he either hasn't met them or they just fought for 5 minutes with him or were trying to kill him. It's supposed to be a big deal because he never loses and he has been the leader of the JLA and fought with them for so long. Now you can't have that because if you kill him again or have Doomsday again it'll be redundant.
They should have introduced Batman first. Then have MoS. Then have Wonder just teased at the party in BvS. DO NOT spoil her action and all her powers in the doomsday fight! You could also have her 1918 movie before this but again they probably skipped this because they wanted to avoid being like Marvel at the cost of their own storytelling (because it would be called a Captain America look alike). Also don't have the doomsday fight! No doomsday and death in the same movie where they meet because it makes no god damn sense. I would have them save Martha (and not have her name be the resolution of the fight) with a weakened Superman and then they both go pay a visit to Lex and part ways afterwards as Bruce goes back to Metropolis. After credits maybe have a Wonder Woman tease or if you've done her solo movie already have another tease. If you don't want to copy Marvel (others have had credits scenes not just Marvel) just have it at the end of the movie so that youtube clips don't interrupt the movie at hand.
Does that scenario not sound like a more coherent structure for a cinematic universe? Like why did they look at the MCU and say "that is really successful and pleases almost all the fans. Let's make sure to not ever be anything like that." They got scared out of a good structure that had JUST worked.
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