We need to talk about Superman for a second..(Batman vs Superman spoilers)

[S.T.A.G.E.]

Hynad said:

S.T.A.G.E. said:

Says there that it needs 800 million to break even. To profit it would need to go beyond that. There is no agenda. What do I have to gain from all of this? You say its futile, but you're have a belief about this movie not having many issues when ive pointed out many. You have not plugged them and I doubt you can. Agreeing to disagree is all that can happen here. Im not trying to convince you to hate the movie. Im just discussing my issues with the film and you're taking it to the heart.

That's his assumptions, his estimate. Do you read what I write? Heck, did you actually read the link you provided? This number is taken from his ass. Not from anything official from WB. I don't believe there is issues with the movie that warrant such trashing of it. All the issues you pointed out are empty. Everything is in the movie explaining those. Or they're hint of what's to come in future movies. I can't find issues where I don't see any. I understood the movie fully, and found everything needed to explain what was going on and the character's motivations. The movie didn't spoon-fed its audience. A lot of the emotional aspects of the characters, for example, you don't have a character voicing exactly how he feels about something or why exactly he reacts a certain way. Yet with the elements found within the movie, it was enough for me to get them.

That you didn't really doesn't make the movie trash.

Also, Superman is still at the start of his "hero career", in a world where people aren't yet sure if they want him or not. He's not in a world where the actions of the superheroes  barely have concequences like you see in most Marvel movies (Oh! But all of a sudden, they now do in Civil War... -__-). They are grounding it with the "what if it happened on our real world" point of view as much as the superhero genre allows it. His challenge isn't only with who he has to physically fight. It's also against the very people he's trying to protect. He's doing these deeds while his motivations are constantly being questioned and actions put into scrutiny. As would happen if such a being existed for real. He is both feared by people who don't understand him, as well as worshipped by those he save or inspire. I think it is fairly normal for him to have his own doubts as well, given the situation and how early in his career this is all happening. He still has an inner battle to fight, and when he comes to term with it all, he'll be a more optimistic Superman. It's simply the route to get there, right now, yet people don't get that and expect a 2D representation of the character, because that is what they're used to see in most superhero movies. Paper-thin stereotypes with funny banter and one-liners.
 
In any case, I have no issues with the movie, other than the 30 minutes that was cut from it's intended lenght so it could get its targeted rating. It has nothing to do with the movie being a mess because it's quite far from one.

In the world of marvel the actions of superheroes do have consequences, but you dont see it because Fox has their plot material which ties the Xmen to the rest of the universe (making it easier to understand how people really feel). Then again...Marvel cant even use the term mutant. Civil War is essentially the straw that broke the camels back when it comes to public trust. The reason they are not treated like criminals because some of the superheroes are known celebrities, and the others work covertly for the government. People knew who the avengers were after the first conflit. Captain America meets a cop who doesnt trust him and eventually the cop has to choose between an alien or captain america...and chooses to side with Captain America after he saves his life. 

As for Superman...he still has not even come to grips with his own humanity in the script after thirty years of living on earth. The way they wrote the script he looks at people from the outside in rather than from the inside himself. Superman in the comics knows hes diffrent, but he knows the earth is his home not just some place he protects (his humanity is his primary conflict).

As I said, I will debate wtih you, but im not trying to convince you that your opinion is wrong. I appreciate it in all honesty. Im not as sensitive as others when it comes to debate.

as for the thirty minutes of extra tape we see where it leads. Truly it's an hour and a half extra but we will take what we can get. Whatever helps the cause of DC. I will still support them regardless because I am a comic book fan, period.

as per the budget it people have been talking about those costs for a while now. 

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