We need to talk about Superman for a second..(Batman vs Superman spoilers)

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cyberninja45 said:

I didn't think I was going to comment on this movie but after reading some of the comments in this thread I feel compelled to.

It seems that some people that watched these movies MoS and BVS watched them with the mindset of how they wanted it to be told instead of how it was being told to us. They aren't told like a typical superhero-movie but rather from the point of view of what may happen in the real world if someone like this really exist, (its also why MOS gave off a somewhat alien invasion vibe).
For eg if superpowered aliens happened to come to earth it won't just be everyone cheering him on while he goes after the bad guy, in the real world some people will be frightened as f*%K to give someone with all that power free reign and rightfully so, it would be ludicrous to blindly cheer someone on like that. In the real world we live in lots of questions and suspicion will be raised and this is the perspective the movie tried to tell it from.

Did the movie execute everything they wanted to do perectly? For my part no.

But when I see reasons in this thread like it was a mismash of incoherent stories, I can't help but think what the hell did some people watch it was a pretty simple movie to follow. Saying things like there was some flashpoint paradox and justice league stuff storyarcs does not mean it interefered with the story being told, that's like saying the first ironman movie was incoherent because shield was mentioned, you saw the seven rings or whatever it is on a badguy implying mandarin arc (not a big ironman comic fan but I know there was a slight reference to the mandarin in the first ironman maybe someone could clear it up) and there was avengers mentioned so everything was incoherent, when these are just wink and nods to the audience and comic fans who will get them, the only difference being BvS had them in the middle of the movie rather than the end.

Things that were actullay bad in the movie for me was the actual reason batman and superman fought, they should have just fought because they had different ideals (which it looked like what the movie was setting up) rather this his mom being captured or whatever, to me that defeated some of the premise the batman agaisnt superman thing.
In the end the movie is certainly not as terrible as some making it out be and some people are really just jumping on a bandwagon, but the movie certainly could have done things better.

edit- for my part i like the general direction they took with these movies, with the perspective of if it actually happened scenario, superman is  a very boring character to get a good story out of otherwise, he just was not made in a time for that.

Also WTF did people expect from a movie  with Batman vs Superman they are te most mismatched characters for a fight ever, people let comicbook nerd hype get the best of them, not everything that is in a comic translates good to movie, a F*%king ordinary man in a batsuit vs a super powered alien that shit only works in comics.

The Avengers plot wasnt incoherent. It works out like this:

1-Loki works for beings above and searches for the tesseract ( first piece of the infinity gauntlet shown, which gives him control of beings and opens portals)

2- Loki uses their armies to invade earth after using the tesseract to slip from one place to another. His primary motivation for wanting to rule earth himself is the to get back at his brother Thor because of his love of Midgard.

3- Loki fails to do so because the Superheroes thrwarted his plan

4-We find out that Thanos is not pleased with his failure once word goes back up the echelons.

That is simple and clear. Loki's motivations were known throughout the movie. The motivations of those above him were shrouded in mystery, but that was fine because we knew each movie was piecing things together. Its not time for Thanos just yet.

Superhero movies rely heavily on the coherent motivation of the prime antagonist which gives motivation for the protagonist(s) to act. In BvS the story was everywhere with lexes motivations. Batman was going on a wild goose chase for Superman and information on lex while lex strings him along (without ever mentioning it in the movie...you have to piece it together yourself). Superman is framed for two incidents and the man who is framing him now has his mother and needs him to kill his foe (aka I framed you twice and your still my bitch). Then we get to the ship (which is getting more attention later) and we knock the second plan which supersedes lexes original plan (which was never explained in the first place). By the end of the movie we know the death of superman paves way for the need for a Justice League to be formed helmed by Batman. They will therefore and obviously create the bulk of the dialogue for the next movie and Superman will just return as the muscle once shit hits the fan (which he obviously couldnt do in this movie).

 

If I am wrong about my pediction for the next movie, I will change my avatar to whatever you like for a month.