teigaga said:
So a new PS4 with an upgraded GPU and more horse power to be utilised in games? Cool, pretty whats being discussed here so I don't understand your saltiness? Its also whats reported in the Kotaku report, the whole basis of this thread "Besides resolution, developers would have an opportunity to push more effects and other graphical tweaks to make their games look better, thanks to the new GPU." |
You could output at 4K without modifying the APU in any way. You could add an additional processing unit between APU and the the video output processing unit to do the upscaling that would not affect the core functionality in any way. So while it's nice that you're trying to put words in my mouth and tear down a straw man you built, no, that's not what I'm talking about. The solution that I'm suggesting would have minimal impact on the cost of the console, achieve 4K video out, and most importantly not affect the core functionality of the console in any way. It would be similar to how the PS2 slim did video output in 480p instead of 480i. Magically all games were backwards compatible, and even more magically as a result, third party developers never had any additional resources at their disposal to drive up develoment costs.
So there's that.
So you're saying that HDTVs hit 50% market penetration in 2009, 3 years after the PS3, and Sony never bothered releasing a PS3.5 that would play all PS3 games at 1080p. But yet it totally, totally make sense to release a PS4K when 4K are expected to hit 50% market penetration 7 years after the release of the PS4. Yeah, you got me. That sounds like a slam dunk justification for getting on that 4K bandwagon in 2016. Of course.
Yes 3 systems over 3 generations tried the power upgrade. ALL OF THEM FAILED. You don't think the new 3DS is a failure? By what metric? Seriously. You say it slowed down the 3DS's hardware decline, but what evidence do you have of that. From the numbers I've seen indicated that Nintendo saw a sales increase 3-4 months after the new 3DS hardware release in each region... and then it went back to the exact same declining sales numbers overall. Seriously. The sales decline follows the exact same pattern with a minor spike in sales in between, then back as if no hardware was ever introduced. There's nothing in the numbers to suggest that the people that bought the new 3DS wouldn't have bought a regular 3DS otherwise. In fact since the new 3DS is selling at a lower margin than the regular 3DS the overall new 3DS endeavour could have actually lost Nintendo money overall, and that's completely ignoring the cost of development. So please, tell me how the new 3DS was obviously a good business move, because I'm not seeing it from any type of profit perspective, and for a publicly traded company like Nintendo and Sony, that's the perspective that matters most.
If you think third parties might support the PS4K and develop games that take advantage of the hardware, give me one reasonable scenario where developers will actually make more money as a result of doing it on their own initiative (i.e. Sony not paying them to do it). Because if you can't come up with a scenario that leads to increased profits, the it flat out will not happen. Making video games is a business after all.
All of those things you pointed out, the PS move, the VIta etc. All of those moves had obvious scenarios where these devices could have been successful. For example if the appeal of the Wii was exclusively with the controller than the move controller would have been a better way to play for those who felt that control scheme was a better experience. The vita actually looked pretty amazing on paper, and if they actually made a handheld that was as easy to port to as they advertised to it developers, you would have seen almost every PS3 game ported to the vita. However I know first hand how much of a total lie that was. If you want to make a portable console, it has to have console level games. But, the potential was there, at least on paper.
However, this PS4K with additional processing for games, the segmenting of the userbase, the increased development costs, all of that, and considering Sony already tried this with PSP and obviously wasted their money, makes absolutely zero sense, by any reasonable metric. It just flat out doesn't. Sony isn't perfect and they have made missteps, but you have to give them credit that they have learned from the past mis-steps. Yet there are so many people out there that expect them to make the same mis-step and now they expect different results with literally no reason to expect it won't wind up any differently.
So please, go ahead tell me, with evidence why you expect it to be different this time, because 4K tvs hitting 50% market share by the time the PS5 will be hitting the shelves isn't cutting it.
I get it, as a console gamer you want the best gaming experience possible, and you thinka PS4K would do that. Unfortunately in the real world you can't always get what you want. So it's time to put on the adult pants and face reality. You are not going to see a PS4 console that has any significant of meaningful processing power for use in improving PS4 games.