So looks now is a right time for build a PC

[Zkuq]

Ruler said:

Zkuq said:

Oh please. At least stick to facts instead of exaggerating.

1. you are exaggerating everyone can read how much you have posted and go to topics that have nothing to do with my post.

Performance is a huge deal and if it turns out the price of performance isn't coming down, that's a huge downside for the console.

2. This model will be priced @400-500$ and will be twice the performance the new leaks have shown. The older model will defeniatley go down in price for new and even more so in used condition. So what you are talking about?

And if you're having countless upgrades for PC, you're either doing it wrong or have too much money to be able to even complain about the situation.

3. Well this is what people essentiality are complaing about: having a second option, so why does it make sense now to have a billion options on PC? Again you put words into my mouths i havent said, no will force you to buy any new piece of hardware. 

I've been having the same setup since July, 2014, and I've been more than happy with the performance. I've no intention to upgrade for at least a year now. You can get pretty good performance in games even with older hardware.

4. I've been having the same PS4 setup since January, 2014, and I've been more than happy with the performance. I've no intention to upgrade for at least a year now. You can get pretty good performance in games even with my older hardware.

Calling physical media an advantage is debatable. If you get a ton of new games and plan to resell them, physical media is an advantage. If you have patience, PC is cheaper thanks to its better sales. As for 'other console advantages',

5. Nope.

Even if you are a die hard digital fan you wouldnt dissagree with the argument that its better to have Physical Media supported on your platform than not having it at all. There will always be moments with friends who will lend their games to you, or even rental stores. Or if the game is being pulled off from the stores like Marvel vs Capcom 3. You see on consoles you have the option, and it works.

These other console advantages are: no cheaters, controller support right of the box and as only option multiplayer and countless of other examples. 

but consoles have been moving closer and closer to PCs for a good while now. A lot of the former simplicity is already gone, and the advantage in initial cost seems to be under threat too.

6. And? PCs advantage is allready gone now too, if i will be able to play my future console games in better performance like 60fps or 1440p on the latest AAA titles what does PC has for anadvatage left over consoles then? 

7. I will have my exclsuives like Bloodborne and Uncharted 4 as well having almost the best running multiplats. And lets face it most of you PC gamers arent running the latest Titan Xs so dont come with that argument,  this new PS4 model will be more than enough to match PC gaming for the next 5 years.

I'm not saying PC is the better choice because it depends entirely on what you're looking for and what your consuming habits are, but this is a direct strike against two important advantages people have said consoles have over PC: price, and not having to worry about hardware upgrades for the duration of a console generation. Technically you can ignore the new model, but then you get an inferior experience, and you still have to consider whether or not to get the new model.

8. The new model will be lower priced than the equillant on PC and the older model will drop in price even more, so again i dont understand your argument here. 

9. This duration of a console life span holds 5 years. If the PS4.5 comes out this year it will be 3 years, 4 years if its next year. People didnt worry about when they upgraded their PS1s, 2s, 3s or any older console with a newer one. This is even better as it will ensure BC and Forward compatibility.

10. Yes you can ignore the new model, if you cant ignore that and its mentally that much of an issue for you PC gaming sure as hell isnt the answer. Maybe the answer is that the world isnt all about you.

1. I don't think so, but please do point out my exaggerations. I did my best to avoid them but I'm sorry if I did exaggerate somewhere. You however did exaggerate about the upgrade needs with PCs.

2. I'm expecting games to perform better on the new model, in which case even if games work on both models, they'll perform worse on the old model. Effectively, in this case it's likely the old model is going to have games that perform worse than before. In practice I'm expecting to see more 30 FPS games than before, with 60 FPS versions being on the new model. Thus, less performane on the old model while the new model is going to cost more. It's not all black and white but this is an effect I'm expecting to see to an extent.

3. You talked about monthly upgrades. If you need to upgrade monthly, you're either doing it wrong or have too much money that you want to spend on upgrades. I didn't put a single word in your mouth, I just responded to your argument about there being so many upgrades on PC. I have nothing against choice.

4. I have no idea how this is relevant to anything, but OK. Good for you. In case you were wondering why I wrote that, I wrote it to back my claim that you don't need very many upgrades on PC.

5. I'm definitely not a fan of digital. I'd go back to physical any day if it digital wasn't so cheap (and if physical on PC didn't practically mean digital). On consoles, I still buy mainly physical just because I prefer it. Both have their benefits and it depends on you which one has better benefits. There's no objective truth about which one is better. And as for those other advantages, I did say they exist. I never claimed otherwise. I just said the gap becoming narrower. For example, controller support for new PC games is extremely common, especially in the case of games released on consoles as well. Not sure what you mean with your multiplayer point though.

6. I was looking at two specific advantages consoles had over PC, not all of them. You have a point but I don't think it's relevant in this discussion. It would be if we were trying to compare PC and consoles more comprehensively but last I checked, I never ventured there. And just for the record, both PC and consoles still have advantages over each other.

7. You don't need the most expensive graphics cards to have great performance on PC... Bad example. And your new PS4 model too is going to cost money. In fact, if you have the older model and want the new one too, the total cost will probably get pretty close to the cost of a gaming PC.

8. As I said, if you have the old model and want the new one too, the cost is going to be relatively close to a gaming PC. If you don't have a PS4 yet, you'll certainly save some money, but you'll also have been missing out on PS4 games for a while, and if you decide to get the cheaper model, you'll also miss out on better performance.

9. That'll be a shorter lifespan than before, and there's a reason it's being talked about as PS4K or PS4.5 instead of PS5. The situation is more confusing than when a new generation comes out, and there might not be as strong guarantees about compatibility as there were before. And what about the next model? Will it have the same compatibility? When will it come out? It'll be more unpredictable unless Sony has a policy about compatibility and the release cycle of new models.

10. Exactly! If you have to worry about things like upgrading, it's already much closer to PC gaming than before! That was the whole point... One advantage consoles had was that you didn't ever have to worry about upgrading until the next generation. Now, that's changing. And I have no idea why you had to mention that the world isn't all about me. I'm pretty sure I just pointed out a few problems with your claims. I even admitted consoles might still be the better choice for you! In my opinion, you seem to have a problem with reading comprehension because most of what you said either ignored my point, instead focusing on single words and sentences, or was irrelevant in the context of what I said. Yes, consoles still have some advantages. Yes, consoles lost some advantages. And yes, the new model can also be seen as an advantage. How it all sums up is up to you.