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Acevil said:
JWeinCom said:

I disagree.  I can't speak for BvS, but going with Man of Steel, it's just a bad movie.

Zack Snyder tries to pull off Christopher Nolan and fails.  He manages to emulate Nolan's complete inability to make characters that feel like humans rather than symbols.  However, unlike Nolan's better films, the philosophical underpinnings are too weak to compensate for this.  We wind up with unlikable characters against a pseudophilosophical backdrop.  Please remind me why I'm supposed to like Superman, or why I should give a shit about Lois Lane.

There is also the matter of making the movie fit the characters.  Yes, you can take risks, but you still have to realize you're making a Superman movie.  There is a reason this character is beloved, and you can offer a unique take, but you can't completely throw everything out.  They took the overwhelming senses schtick from Daredevil, X-men's protecting a world that hates and fears him thing, and throw a big gloomy dallop of Batman envy on top of it.

Apologists are going with "oh people don't like it because it's not marvel" or "oh people don't like it cause it's too philosophical" and so on so forth... but it could also be that it's just a shitty movie.

I agree with you, and that is the issue of this thread, I see couple of users getting caught up with the smaller complaints and trying to focus them as the only reason critics or users will not like this movie. When the issues range from pacing, overcrowdedness, poor casting choices on villians, Zack Synder inability to capture the theme he is trying to aim for, and so much more. 

Do the bad outweigh the good though? What's an issue for you is a non-issue for others.