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JWeinCom on 23 March 2016
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Dark_Feanor said:
JWeinCom said:

It also seems to be very common for people to try and strawman opposing arguments to make them seem less valid.  People have offered plenty of legitimate reasons to have doubted the film that go far beyond differences between the MCU and Ben Affleck.  Critics actually seem unanimous in their praise for Affleck, and they still didn't like the movie.

It's clearly a matter of what people expect from a comic book movie.

And many of those critics expected or hope for a Mavel style movie. Just like MoS they are complain using a idealised image of what Superman and Batman should be or should do. Remember how some complained that the Batmobile had guns... but even Nolan's had gun.

There is no scape from that unless one make a master piece like The Dark Knight. It's not a easy task.

You should whatch "The death of Superman Lives". Studios are usualy very afraid of taking risk. And just like SW TFA showed it pays off doing the basics.

I disagree.  I can't speak for BvS, but going with Man of Steel, it's just a bad movie.

Zack Snyder tries to pull off Christopher Nolan and fails.  He manages to emulate Nolan's complete inability to make characters that feel like humans rather than symbols.  However, unlike Nolan's better films, the philosophical underpinnings are too weak to compensate for this.  We wind up with unlikable characters against a pseudophilosophical backdrop.  Please remind me why I'm supposed to like Superman, or why I should give a shit about Lois Lane.

There is also the matter of making the movie fit the characters.  Yes, you can take risks, but you still have to realize you're making a Superman movie.  There is a reason this character is beloved, and you can offer a unique take, but you can't completely throw everything out.  They took the overwhelming senses schtick from Daredevil, X-men's protecting a world that hates and fears him thing, and throw a big gloomy dallop of Batman envy on top of it.

Apologists are going with "oh people don't like it because it's not marvel" or "oh people don't like it cause it's too philosophical" and so on so forth... but it could also be that it's just a shitty movie.