How M$ could win, at least in NA.

[rocketpig]

Imperial said:

rocketpig said:

Imperial said:

rocketpig said:
In some ways, MS has already "won". Thanks to Nintendo, Sony is seriously weakened throughout the world. Now MS can concentrate on profit and try to expand their market in every region, which appears to be happening. The 360 should finish with no less than 35-40m sales, up considerably from the Xbox and its 25m userbase.

MS will also be launching first again next generation, giving them the ability to correct their mistakes from this generation and try to expand their market again.

In the short term, though, there is little to be gained from them throwing money at the problem to weaken an already weak Sony when they can sit back and try to turn a profit on the 360. No matter what they do, the PS3 will probably end up passing the 360 in WW sales anyway.

rocketpig , you consistently proove yourself to be an MS fanboy , many of your posts are riddled with bias and incosistencies.

Firslty MS hasn't "won" anything it's quite on the contrary , MS stand to loose the most from this generation ( in terms of profitability) . Where have you got the Idea that Sony are seriously "weakened" like the PS3 is the only console affected by the release of the Nintendo Wii.

The only thing MS can concentrate is avoiding irrelevancy with it being outsold on a WW basis week by week since Janauary , Japan's interest still at an absolute minimum and the PS3's strongest line-up of software since launch.

If MS launch again first it'll no dought damage consumer confidence in the 360 , receive poor software support due to the high costs many developers will experience with new technology , hardware , software , trainning obligations etc. Also taking into consideration it'll damage MS's profitability further if the 360 doesn't have a decent life.

What are you talking about an already weak Sony ? , Your coudln't be referring to the PSP that sold more than 20X the number of 360's in japan could you ? or the PS2 that continues selling like crazy years after it's launch ? or maybe the PS3 that's outselling the 360 on a weekly basis ?

Oy. If you don't think Sony has been weakened this generation, you need to take off the blinders. Nintendo has supplanted Sony as the dominant console of this generation and the Wii is walking away with previously Sony marketshare. Before the PS3, Sony had created two home consoles and annihilated the competition with both of them, especially in Europe. Now, they're fighting Microsoft for a distant second place behind the Wii.

Considering how Sony is much more of a threat to Microsoft than Nintendo is, Microsoft can't be that unhappy at their market position. Sure, they would prefer to be first but considering how badly they screwed up the 360, they're in a good position to enter the market in 2010 or 2011 with a new console and improved marketshare.

As for profitibility, I don't think MS is in the worst shape this generation. Sony is continuing to lose money on their gaming division while MS has pulled in ~$900m in the last fiscal year.

And who is talking about the PSP here? I was pretty sure this thread was about home consoles. It wasn't even part of my argument.

But, go ahead and call me a fanboy if it makes you feel better.

I don't like your use of the term "weakened" it's slightly confusing and too psuedo but anyway. Yes Sony's competetivness has been severley limited due to the success of the Wii but that's beside the point i'm not disputing that , the way you posted it I interprited it as being the Wii "weakening" the PS3 to the extent that the 360 got some sort of advantage from it , hence my saying that " like the PS3 is the only console affected by the release of the Nintendo Wii".

Your completley changing your tone , from "MS has already "won" to "How badly they screwed up the 360". You keep on fogetting that market share means very little in an industry where profitability is the only thing that'll get you anywher, like I said before if MS want to make any money of the 360 then an early launch of the 720 is out of the question.

Think again , with the $7 billion MS lost on the 360 900million is lauphable , it's far easier for Sony to make a profit on the PS3 than it is for MS to for the 360 also taking into consideration that PS3 helps HDTV sales( although not neccaserily Sony's HDTV's ) and was the key reason why sony won the format war.

"to weaken an already weak Sony" it's incredibly confusing when you talk about Sony ( responsible for the PS3,PS2,PSP ) as opposed to talking about the individual products considering that's how most people do it , MS is only responsible for the 360 so it beats typing XBOX360 or 360 because "MS" is two letters.

FANBOY , FANBOY , FANBOY * Breathe * Fanboy , Fanboy , Fanboy.... it does.

Okay, reading comprehension FTL.

To quote myself: "In some ways, MS has already "won"." Notice the quotations around "won". I then proceeded to talk about how Nintendo had weakened Sony's dominance, which is inadvertantly helping MS, who is more in direct competition with Sony than they are Nintendo. This isn't rocket science here. You're putting words into my mouth and twisting my points.

MS has not lost $7b on the 360. Please don't cite inaccurate information.

I didn't "change my tone", it's well-documented on this forum that I think MS has screwed up in several different ways, just like Sony. Nintendo is the only one that has done most things right this generation (other than that pathetic excuse they call an online system).

In short, don't go around calling people fanboys if you don't bother to take the time to try to understand what their actual point is.

PS. Your "Jump to Conclusions Mat" is already in the mail.