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JWeinCom on 06 March 2016
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IkePoR said:
JWeinCom said:

"There is no confident way to datamine fan opinion on a video game, random, sufficient or accurate."

So there's no way to get accurate data to support your opinion, but you're still going to tell me it's true.  XD

"That is done by the way I have stated in my previous posts."

You mean by talking to your friends, and looking at comments on reviews?  Lulz. Just so happens I've also been on message boards, talked to friends, and read comments and the majority of people really liked Skyward Sword.  So it appears we are at an impasse.

"You are aware of what fan opinion of SS is, with the majority completely disagreing with major reviewers. "

Nope.  I absolutely am not aware of this.  In fact, my observations show just the opposite.  But, I don't assume that my limited information actually represents "the majority".  Cause I'm smart enough to know about things like sampling methods, the unreliability of anecdotal evidence, confirmation bias, and about how evidence and reason work in general.  So, I'm smart enough to know that presenting my observations as some sort of objective fact would make me look quite foolish.  That's why they call me "professor" :).

Do you have any evidence of the majority of people liking Skyward Sword?  Do you have any resaerch or sampling methods to back your statement?    

I never presented anything I've said about Skyward Sword as fact.  Hopefully you are smart enough to know you imagined this.  

"Do you have any evidence of the majority of people liking Skyward Sword?  Do you have any resaerch or sampling methods to back your statement? "

Of course not.  Which is why I specifically said... "But, I don't assume that my limited information actually represents "the majority". Swing and a miss.

"I never presented anything I've said about Skyward Sword as fact.  Hopefully you are smart enough to know you imagined this."

Let's check the instant replay on that one...

 You are aware of what fan opinion of SS is, with the majority completely disagreing with major reviewers. 

Asking for numbers of fan opinion of a video game which is well known is nonsense.  Google that shit. Not everything needs a citation, professor.

If you're saying that I'm aware of it, then you're stating it as a fact.  Unless you're trying to say that I'm aware of your subjective interpretation of what the fan opinion of the game is, which would be all kinds of ridiculous.

And if you're saying that the majority of fans completely disagree with major reviewers, that is a fact statement.  There's just no way to interpret this as anything else.

And if it's "well known" then you are again indicating that this is something that is fairly objective and not your subjective opinion.  That's why the phrase "well known fact" is quite common and "well known opinion" is something that you've probably never heard before.  Also, the word "completely" again is an indication of fact.

 Not only that, but apparently it is so well known that it was "nonsense" for me to even challenge it.  XD Yes, you definitely presented that as a fact.  It's not in my imagination, it's in your text.  And if you weren't trying to present it as fact, then you're doing a shitty job communicating.

Furthermore, if you don't think this is a fact, I can't figure out why you're trying to use it to show the gaming media is corrupt.  "Gaming reviewers are clearly corrupt.  I can prove this by showing that my opinion of other people's opinions of Skyward Sword goes against the opinion of reviewers." @_@

If the "majority opinion" of Skyward Sword is not a fact (and it's not) then it'd be pretty stupid to bring it up to try and show that the gaming media shouldn't be trusted, which was kind of the whole point you were trying to make.  And the point I was making was that this is not a fact, and not even a particularly well supported opinion.  So, I accept your concession of the point.