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Gballzack on 25 June 2007
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ckmlb said:
Gballzack said:
Bashing of casual gamers gives an outlet to the frustration of those not satisfied with the progress of this gaming generation, in other words, those who can't fathom why their narrow perspective of how gaming should be isn't taking off. Attacking casual gamers gives them an scapegoat, something they can label as an "outside" influence so they can convince themselves that gaming didn't abandon them it was just invaded by outsiders. It's all part of maintaining the delussion that they are, and will always be, right no matter how console gaming plays out or falls out of their favor.

It's not an outlet for any frustration, I always criticize what I don't like and I think these games are crappy. Suddenly you're all about casual games? Why? Causr Nintendo decided to make 'em now they're good? You told me yourself you aren't too sure about the casual direction of games in Nintendo.

Also: sales don't determine quality. (See Spiderman 3)


Actually, yes it is still an outlet of frustration, the fact you even acknowledge it as bashing by responding to it as such shows this to be true. And even if frustration is not the case for you there is no arguing the incessant redundacy of such attacks on the Wii and/or Casual gamers under the premise of them erroding gaming.

Just because I have my own reservations about the future of lifestyle gaming does not mean I can't see the true nature of why many attack casual gaming. Don't tell me you're naive enough to think that having reservations and outright attacking something are one in the same or exclude one from taking notice of the other. Casual Gaming was never a matter worth mentioning by the self proclaimed "Hardcore" gamers when it was in thier favor as with the PS1 and PS2 sales, but now that its against what they want gaming to be they attack it, so don't cry Nintendo Bias on me or anyone else. The door swings both ways. The fact that you even point out my own reservations should only further illustrate the hypocrisy of your attempt to portray me as someone who praises them, which I fail to see myself doing anywhere in this forum.

Sales don't determine quality, true, but nothing else objectively does either. Quality is a subjective measure in this context, its ultimately a matter of personal perspective and philosophy. It's also a measure almost exclusively introduced into these debates by Sony fans, not Nintendo fans. Sales determine what the consumer wants. Sales determine what console succeeds. And in this race, that's all that matters and that's why Sony fans are upset. If Quality was the only issue here then I'm sure that many Sony fans would be content to just ignore the Wii and its games. But Quality isn't the issue, its just an excuse after the fact to justify one person's opinion over another's.

In the end, sales are what matter whether we like it or not. Sales are what decide the winner. Logically, if your console can't have the sales, you're naturally going to try and brag up the next most important aspect that you've convinced yourself your console excels in. And the weapons of choice for Sony Fans everywhere are the illusive ideologies of "Quality" and "Hardcore Gaming", both self proclaimed, both subjective ideals, both excuses after the fact.