UN Challenging Japan’s Treatment of Women, Suggests Ban of Erotic Japanese Games

[ReimTime]

Roronaa_chan said:

ReimTime said:

The argument of "leaving women to rot" in the real world because you are removing an aspect of their work is a bit exaggerated. All they literally have to do is refrain from publishing material that contains sexual violence. Sexuality is still allowed; it's the rape that isn't. That's a small adaptation to make. She argues that a crap-ton of women are going to lose their jobs because of this? Sob story. Like I said, all they have to do is adapt. There is still a huge pornographic market that will buy their material sans-rape. 

Under Canada’s Criminal Code: (R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 163; 1993, c. 46, s. 1.) , it is stated that any publication containing the undue exploitation of sex and/or crime, horror, cruelty and violence shall be deemed obscene and is thus illegal. The same goes for many other countries' criminal code. The production and sale of such material in Japan is being justified because of certain articles of the Japanese Constitution - namely Article 21 which guarantees freedom of expression and prohibits censorship. However, these arguments are taking the constitution out of context IMO. They were originally put into place to limit the oppression of any individual who spoke up against the government, not allow for an artist to produce anything under the sun without censorship.

And Reason #1 is can be contested. There is a suggestive correlation between viewing material containing sexual violence and producing a psychic desire to inflict the same sexual violence against vulnerable individuals. It isn't as cut and dry as ("oh well they don't exist and we can tell"), especially not when you associate the viewing with pleasure. The argument of the rape rate decreasing is not a valid argument to use either, before anyone pulls that. It rapidly decreased from 1972 - when results became public - to 1983. The spread of pornographic home videos started in the mid 1980s. Since then, the rape rate gradually ceased and then increased by 67% from 1996 to 2003.  From 1986 to 2003, the rate of forced obscenity increased by 338%. 

FURTHERMORE, in a statement from the United States Department of Justice in 1986:

"In both clinical and experimental settings, exposure to sexually violent materials has indicated an increase in the likelyhood of aggression. More specifically, the research shows a casual relationship between exposure to this type of material and agressive beahvior towards women. In conclusion, substantial exposure to materials of this type bears some casual relationship to the level of sexual violence, coercion or unwanted sexual aggression in the population so exposed"

If you need any more arguments I am ready and able to give them.

With help from 

Shibata, T. (2008). Undoing Sexual Objectification in the Japanese Socio‐Juridical Context: The Human‐Rights‐Oriented Transmutation of the Conception of “Obscene” Material. International Journal of Japanese Sociology, 17(1), 114-128.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1475-6781.2008.00115.x/abstract;jsessionid=04621E543B4A306AEC4FF36812B26E05.f02t03?userIsAuthenticated=false&deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=

Leaving women to rot doesn't refer to the women mentioned as working in these kind of works, just female victims over the world in general. The ones who work on this are a separate matter, even if they can indeed be seen as a bonus group.

Canada's Criminal Code should be revised because not only is it backwards it's also constantly being broken by western media.

"She argues that a crap-ton of women are going to lose their jobs because of this? Sob story. Like I said, all they have to do is adapt. There is still a huge pornographic market that will buy their material sans-rape. "

How wonderful, it's fine for them to lose their creative/artistic job because they can just go ahead and suck real dick for a living. That does sound in line with the same kind of backwards thinking behind half the laws regulating sexual subjects.

As for the statement from the DoJ, "casual relationship" is, as usual, just another replacement for "we don't actually know but don't want to say otherwise". Statements lacking assertiveness might as well be printed and used as toilet paper, such is its usefulness or power to convince. On the other hand it does make me question if the women making these things are also sexually violent towards other women or men; maybe we'll find out once they lose their jobs and "go do other pornographic things" like you said.

If you choose to back it up so be it. I didn't expect to convince many people, just hoped to provide the whole story behind the situation. Why so many people who don't even live in Japan are so concerned about sexually violent games being sold there is beyond me. You'll still get to consume porography to your heart's content; just not as much containing sexual violence. How is that a bad thing?

Ah, oh well. Thank you for providing your stance. I'm sorry you feel that way about the laws concerning sexual violence. Hopefully they can improve them - I agree there are still too many sexual crimes happening. We do need to get tougher on them.

WTF is that jump to suggesting they can go suck dicks for a living if they lose their jobs lmao k den :-| what I said is that they can still draw manga etc that doesn't include rape. There is still a huge market for that. Kek nice conclusion

Jesus Christ dude, you make claims like that yet your entire argument could be printed and used as toilet paper. What kind of proof do you have other than the news article of a gaming website? You can't claim the DoJ know nothing when they have done all the research, and you have no grounds to leverage your argument over theirs - not to mention the work of many other respectable and well-educated individuals.

Like I said I knew I wouldn't change many of your minds because I know you are near-deadset. But I really wish I could. You aren't as threatened as you make yourselves out to be. Please at least consider where the UN may be coming from. 

The fact that people are so untrustworthy and threatened by legitimate feminist movements is very very frustrating to me. People aren't just pooped into CEDAW from Tumblr. They have educations. They do research. They are experts. We are users on a video game forum, some of us whom are biased because we like consuming sexually violent material. And we disagree based upon the words of a website that only publishes proceedings that suit our interest.

I truly hope the UN comes to a good conclusion on March 7th. That's what I'll end with