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potato_hamster on 02 March 2016
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Soundwave said:
potato_hamster said:

Literally everything you just posted, everything, does absolutely nothing to address to comments I made above. It doesn't matter what the X360 ran or the X1 ran now. The fact of the matter if both of those consoles are used to play the same game on the same match on the same server then at least in some cases they must be on the same servers. Are you trying to say that this is why they had to put in extra work in order to get the game run? That they didn't have to do anything to account for the fact the games are running at different resolutions, different frame rates, with different draw distances, different textures, and animations, different shaders, different anti-aliasing effects. Nothing was done to ensure the gameplay was fair and equal on both consoles? Nothing at all? Source please.

So your dad uses the iPhone 4s. Does he expect the latest games made for the iPhone 6s to work on his iPhone 4s? Probably not. His iPhone 4s is only 4 YEARS OLD, and it's already completely redundant for new software. Can you imagine buying a console on release and 4 years later not being able to buy the latest games coming out for Xbox consoles on it?That is completely unacceptable for console gamers. Completely unacceptable, and you're glossing over it as if it doesn't matter. If most consoles gamers cared about having the latest and greatest technology every 3-4 years they would buy a PC! This model completely screws over Xbox console gamers and you're in complete denial.

This is an assumption, we don't know this for sure because gamers have never really had a choice. 

The choice is either pay $200-$400 for a home console or like $1500+ for a PC with a significant performance bump. There's never been anything in the middle and most people don't hook up their PC to their TV, I don't know too many people when you go visit their home who have a giant freaking PC tower under their TV in the living room. 

The old model is the only choice we've been given as consumers, these companies have never offered us anything else. PC parts are sold at a massive price mark up, MS can still subsidize the price of these XBox upgrades/differing models, that alone is a huge difference, they can also keep it streamlined and TV centric so it's easy to upgrade and has a console like form factor that simply plugs and plays into any TV. 

MS is under no obligation to use the same business model that Sony does. In fact it's kind of stupid in their case since they are the lead OS for PC gaming already, keeping PC and XBox seperate was a bizarre choice from the get go. 

You don't actually believe you need to spend $1500 on a PC in order to have a decent gaming PC, do you? You can get by just fine for years on a PC that costs $800. And who says anything about having a "giant PC tower" under their PC. Don't be so obtuse. Alienware's version of the Steam Machine is smaller than the Xbox One and cost $450. You can also get a version that runs Windows 10 instead of steam OS... for $400. So there you go. PC gaming in your living room on a box made for use on your TV for a whopping $400.  And, the Alienware version isn't even the cheapest steam box! The costs are astromical I say! And while it's true it probably won't be able to run much of anything in 3-4 years time, that pretty much puts you in the same boat as this proposed X1 model, except, oh wait - the Alienware box is upgradable.

http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-alpha/pd?~ck=mn%E2%80%8B

But what's that? You already have a high end PC and you don't want to buy another computer to use on your couch! Fear not: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Steam-Link-Streaming-Device For $50 you can use your PC on your couch. For another $60 you can even use a Xbox One controller to play your games. It's like so hard to do though, it's literally a little more difficult than actually hooking up an Xbox One - too much for the average console gamer.

The business model is already out there and was already pushed quite heavily by valve. It bombed, and bombed hard. It continues to bomb. So please spare me that there's been no middle ground. There's been a middle ground for years that has been completely ignored because no one wants it. But here's where valve was wrong. Instead of pushing a valve pushing for a PC under the TV, people need Microsoft to push their PC under the TV instead. I mean it's not like steam has more active users than Xbox live.

Ohh wait.