Rpruett said:
You specifically said : " However, one thing to keep in mind is that, in conjunction with this wall, there are a number of other things you have to take into consideration. How badly do you think they want to get in? 1.) Even with a wall, people will find a way. 2.) The border is also very long, even 3.) if you do manage to build the wall, who is going to be patrolling it? People could just get around/over it if no one is watching. That costs money too (which the wall will undoubtedly cost much of). 4.)There really isn't any way to effectively make Mexico pay for it unless you think they think they will get something out of it. That, or you coerce them, making relations between a country you border more tense. Because that's what the United States needs right now, right?
I specifically pulled out what you said in the following items. Find bolded underlined in sequence. You said all of these sentiments in your original statement. 1.) Inevitability of Mexicans reaching USA I didn't say that this was absolutely the case, but something to consider. 2.) Too great a distance to build the wall You are rewording my statements. They are right there, but you alter its meaning either way. I only stated a fact that the border is long. I did not qualify it with a "too much" or anything of the sort. You are putting words in my mouth. Even without that, the distance is still a factor. 3.) The wall requires surveiliance Yes, it's true. I said "many things," not all. Learn reading comprehension. It's getting harder and harder to talk to you like you are capable of debate when you are not even comprehending the meaning of simple words. 4.) Can't make Mexico pay, no way to strike a deal with them Once again, you are twisting what I'm saying. Read back what you bolded in my statement yourself. "Effectively" is in there. You clearly didn't even address the more important issues, too. 5.) Wall is stupid when you combine his positions (on cutting taxes, bombing ISIS, deporting, keeping 3 biggest items on federal budget. You can't look at a candidate for just one point at a time. You have to look at the whole package. You can't just look at each issue as if they don't have any influence over each other. They do. There are many other reasons you can call the wall stupid, but this is one is one that can be substantiated and does not rely on assumptions. Again -- Complete non-sense with a bunch of hyperbole and deflection and little substance. |
You say it's non-sense and contains hyperbole and deflection, and little substance. You do not back up your argument. You just say that it is because you don't agree with it, even though much of it is fact.
The smaller points like people finding a way anyway is just a small part of the bigger picture that I'm saying one has to consider when talking about building the wall. What's its purpose? To keep the illegals from coming in. Well, is a wall good enough? On its own, I say no. It can deter some people, but their determination to get in is likely great enough to not be deterred simply by a wall. You would need another layer of security on top of it. Doing that only increases costs and creates higher tension. You CAN do it, but is it a good idea? That depends on what you value, I will admit.
So, let's break this down some more though. One thing you likely believe is that the illegal Mexicans are not paying taxes and that they are taking our jobs. This is only a half-truth. Sure, they are occupying jobs in the market, and having people paying taxes with jobs is important for the government and it is important for those working people to spend money for the economy. Well, the truth of the matter is that illegal immigrants still do have taxes they pay, it's not an all-or-nothing situation many think or claim it is. Many jobs they take are also at a lower rate of pay the normal American would accept, or maybe even is legal. This means that these employees are lower-cost for the companies they work for. This also has an impact on the economy as well, which you have to take into consideration.
You have to look at all the facts and think to yourself what the costs are, not just monetary but socially/politically as well. All things considered, the wall cannot be considered a good investment. A wall costs money to maintain and patrol as an unguarded wall is not much different than a fence to a determined migrant. You can claim you know how it will end up, but there's also conflicting data that says otherwise. Are you claiming you know everything? I don't think so, based on how you took everything I said.
edit: Since the way you responded before, I'm going to add in that these are considerations, not predictions. They are things you HAVE to think about if you want to invest in something like a wall that goes on for nearly 1,000 miles. Especially if you're going to try to harm trade relations with a close trade partner.
(and the 1000 miles thing comes from Trump's revised statement on how long the wall will be, not his initial. Just so you don't jump on that right away)
