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MDMAlliance on 18 February 2016
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McDonaldsGuy said:
MDMAlliance said:

How effective do you think the wall will be in preventing people from coming in?  Some people might argue it would be very effective and make comparisons to other countries with walls and their statistics.  However, one thing to keep in mind is that, in conjunction with this wall, there are a number of other things you have to take into consideration.  

How badly do you think they want to get in?  Even with a wall, people will find a way.  The border is also very long, even if you do manage to build the wall, who is going to be patrolling it?  People could just get around/over it if no one is watching.  That costs money too (which the wall will undoubtedly cost much of).  There really isn't any way to effectively make Mexico pay for it unless you think they think they will get something out of it.  That, or you coerce them, making relations between a country you border more tense.  Because that's what the United States needs right now, right?

The wall is also dumb if you take into consideration all the other things he wants to do.  Cut taxes, take many actions that would end up costing money (bombing ISIS, deporting, etc.), keeping the 3 biggest items on the federal budget around, and it goes on and on.

How effect? ASk Israel, who went from 10,000 illegals pouring in to dozens. Hungary went from 20,000 illegals coming then they built a wall and now it's only about a dozen per day.

And Mexico WILL get something out of it - basically, they will not get ruined economically. All Trump has to do is threaten to renegotiate trade deals (which Congress gave the President power to do) and he can have Mexico building a wall before his inauguration.

Sources: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/169521

"While 9,570 citizens of various African countries entered Israel illegally in the first half of 2012, only 34 did the same in the first six months of 2013 – a decrease of over 99 percent."

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/29/hold-hungarian-border-fence-so-effective-illegal-immigrants-are-now-at-pre-migrant-crisis-levels/

"The sudden cut-off for migrants entering Hungary, going from 6,353 to 29 a day in just a week after completing the fence may offer some cheer to conservatives in other European nations who now have a stark example of how effective actually policing national borders can be.

If you look at what I said in the bold, you did EXACTLY that.  

And you saying that Mexico will get something out of it.  No, they aren't gaining anything, they only stand to lose.  Also, you make it sound like only Mexico benefits from the trades, as if the United States would ever do that for a country that actually has a pretty sizeable economy (It's in the top 15 biggest economies in the world).  It seems like you really don't understand the topic you are arguing if you think that Mexico would just go and take it.  The costs of Mexico making the wall would be high, and the USA would only benefit.  USA renegotiating the trade deals with Mexico will harm BOTH USA and Mexico.  Why would Mexico agree?  

I doubt you have an answer, because there isn't any logical one.