JWeinCom said:
Whatever people believe started evolution, what start that? And I've heard/read so many differnet theories, including the one on the universe expanding/contracting infinetely, but I say again to that and to all other theories as to why things are the way they are, what caused them in the first place if there isn't God? Seriously, I want a serious response to this. Every other time people just blow past that question because they either don't know or they don't want to answer. I'm just going to focus in on this part. You're not talking about evolution. Evolution started when life originated. Anything before that falls into the category of either abiogenesis or cosmology. Once life originates in whatever way it does, then we have a pretty good idea of how it grows and changes over time. Evolution is logical because we know that genes exist and we know how they work. Evolution is gene changes in a population over a certain period of time. And we can see this happening in humans over the course of human history, in species we've domesticated, and in labarotories with fruit flies and bacteria. Evolution is the cornerstone of biology, and biology has proven itself over and over in practical application. So, we know how evolution happens. As for how life and the universe started, the answer is we don't know. And what is wrong with that answer exactly? You're demanding a serious answer to how the universe was created from a random guy on a message board. And the answer is I don't know. It's honest, and it's accurate. There are many theories as to how this is possible, and they're a bit too complex to sum up here. I would recommend watching Lawrence Krauss' presentation, A Universe From Nothing, or reading Stephen Hawking's "The Grand Design" if you're truly interested. But let's say that nobody had any clue. Then the answer is just I don't know. We don't get to insert an intelligence into the equation, because that just pushes the problem back one level, and we have to figure out where that intelligence came from. And of course, if you want to propose god as a theory to be taken seriously, then you need some actual evidence. You can believe whatever makes sense to you, but unless you have evidence don't try to convince others. Or at least don't try to convince me. And, again, that has nothing to do with evolution. Just because we don't know how life starts doesn't mean we don't know what happens once it's here. |
1) I don't push people into my beliefs. I do not believe anyone would accept Jesus Christ as their savior if they were forced to instead of having their heart change. I was just curious so I was just pushing for a response to my question (of which you gave me and I thank you).
2) Really, when I say evolution, I'm talking about anything changing. I was more saying macro evolution (how the universe itself changes).
3) Why do genes work the way they do? Why are their genes in the first place? Either there is a purpose for them, which points to something deciding that there needed to be a purpose, or there isn't a purpose, in which case they shouldn't exist at all.
4) Inserting an intelligence into the equation can resolve the issue. If I believe in God, I awknowledge that I do not understand things the way HE does. I awknowledge that one day I will understand a great deal more, however:
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The Way of Love 1If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned,a but have not love, I gain nothing. 4Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;b 6it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 8Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. 11When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known. 13So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love. |
