Is God's existence objectively verifiable?

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Scoobes said:

Norris2k said:

While apparently reasonnable, you are not, that's why it's never ending. "[...] science will always trump religion (which assumes knowledge based on heresay)". About the bold part... Says who ? Christians don't burn iphone, the Vatican does not claims the earth is flat (and never did btw), the babylonians had science, Einstein has never been an heretic... Most theists in developped countries accept science as a source of progress. But you, you can't resist the need to put religion down here and there, you would never concede a single point against science. You are a zealot. I'm not. I believe in science, I don't believe in God, I don't need a who, but I don't need and I don't think it's fair to define faith as an assumption based on ignorance. Again, that's the point of quoting Newton, he's not an ignorant. I tried to put some balance, so, no, I believe we are not making the same point at all, that's a dead end.

Nothing of what you said goes against what I did. Religious groups didn't come up with those theories, science and scientists did. By its nature, the way religion tries to explain things is through faith, which when you boil it down to religious texts is essentially unverifiable stories written by human beings (aka heresay). I'm not putting it down so much as stating a simple fact. Religion serves different purposes to different people, but if someone is going to use it to explain the world contrary to the actual evidence then they shouldn't be surprised when someone questions that.

That said, at no point did I say all religious people think science is wrong (and some of the greatest scientific and engineering ideas have come from theists), but there are a minority that put faith above robust scientific theory which at times can be dangerous (as I pointed out). For those people, the scientific method as a self-improving system is always going to be more accurate than their faith.

Yeah.  And...in the end I'm not really sure why you took such issue with my post, Norris. Though I guess we are far past that now.

And yeah, I also think science and religion can coexist just fine. They only conflict when you attempt to use religion to disprove science, or use science to prove something in religion. But just use one to explain the "how" and the other to explain the "why" and you're fine.

In any case, it looks like this discussion is done, so...I guess we'll just leave this here.