Scoobes said:
1 & 2: You're inferring existence from something that could be completely unrelated and jumping to conclusions. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/magearth.html God doesn't need to be present for the Earth's magnetic fields to happen. Whilst all the other phenomena you mentioned can actually be reliably measured and detected. You saying "god must have done it" doesn't actually make it so, it just means you haven't researched the topic fully. 3- No, potentially everything has always existed. Or the simple answer is we don't know. You're the one assuming that there is a creator or that there has to be one. Why? 5- So who created God? 6- We have the fossil records of the gradual changes, we have massive GB of DNA databases that show the evolution of different organisms over time. The databases and the principles of evolution are actually used in labs to create and manufacture Biopharmaceuticals to help treat disease. If evolution didn't exist then a number of treatments wouldn't exist either as we would never have been able to create them. 7- These are tracked through time so you can actually track the evolution. http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12052-009-0133-4 Denying this just makes you look ignorant. 8- No, a polar bear isn't just a bear in the same way a Tiger isn't a Lion. They share a common ancestor, but they're completely different species. You may need to lookup the definition of a species. 9- If evolution didn't exist then humans wouldn't be able to make these genetic changes as fast as we have done. Scientists use the priciples of evolution as tools to speed up process of genetic modification. You can deny it, but it's as ridiculous as someone saying gravity doesn't exist. |
Thanks, you saved me a lot of work.
From what I can gather, Frank, your singular argument for God is "only God could have created a universe with rules."
If you want to credit God for the creation of the universe, fine. We have evidence for the evolution of the universe leading all the way up to the "Big Bang" but nothing beyond that (at least as far as I know. I'm no scientist). You want to credit God with the big bang? Go right on ahead. No one in the scientific community is stopping you right now. Just know that not knowing something isn't "proof" of something's existence.
Man has been wrong plenty of time when he used assumptions or superstition to fill in the gaps in his knowledge. We used to think the world was flat, because that's how it appeared to us. In reality, when greek mathmeticians applied math to the idea, they discovered that the Earth was curved, and therefor must be round. We used to assume that the Earth was the center of the universe and everything revolved around us. But then through astronomy we discovered moons around other bodies, came to realize we were orbiting the sun, and eventualyl realized our solar system sat in the spiral arm of a milky way galaxy. We assumed that was the only galaxy until we discovered other galaxies in the 1930s. We once assumed that the universe was created by God as described in the Bible, until we eventually began to discover evidence for a "big bang" which culminated in our discovery in the background radiation that gave us a look at how the universe was near the very beginning.
And now, you are assuming that only God could have created a universe this complex. But you have no scientific evidence. No evidence beyond your faith and the Bible. Why does it have to be YOUR God who created the universe? How can you be so sure that, out of ALL the religions in the world, your specific form of Christianity is the right one? I'm fairly sure I know the answer, but I want to hear it from you.
Evolution isn't what you think it is either. It isn't about "one animal completely changing into another animal". It is gradual change. The larger the time scale, the greater the change, but the physical differences between descendents and recent ancestors/cousins isn't typically that great. So two species of bear that diverged from a common ancestor will have only been a few million years ago. Humans and Chimpanzees have diverged far more recently thant humans from non-ape primates (which is evident in similarities and differences in our DNA).
Mammals didn't just pop out of reptiles. First, there were the synapsids, or "mammal-like reptiles". Then there were the egg laying mammals, monotremes (some of which still exist today, like the echidna and platypus). Eventually, modern mammals as know them came about.
But even mammals and reptiles aren't really that dissimilar, even these days. Most (though not all) of them have four legs, a tail, two eyes, two nostrils, a mouth. We all got these features from a common ancestor, hundreds of millions of years ago.
And yes, birds ARE dinosaurs. I tell peope that all the time, because it's true. Ask an archeologist, and that's what they'll tell you. That article I gave you didn't just pull it out of nowhere. Though I get the impression you didn't read that awesome article about scientists using genetic manipulationt to revive ancient features in modern chicken embryos all the way through.
I'll never understand why some hardcore christians can't accept things like evolution. Even the VATICAN accepts evolution. Why can't that just be a mechanism god utilizes to create new life?
