sabvre42 said:
Nem said:
Nonsense. Why does it require faith to believe an infinite universe? Is it because you can't wrap your head around it, if its not finite? It requires alot more faith to think a more complex beeing came and created it. Because then we need to understand how that beeing came to be. And don't give me "he just is". It's not.
You have a funny concept of things. First, even if everything you said is true, you can't jump to God as the explanation. It isn't the only explanation. Its the only one YOU can think of, that says the same as "I dont really know".
You obviously have the wrong concept of "Nothing". There is no nothing. Its a human concept. There is always something everywhere in our known universe. There is always something even in the micro atomic level. There is no such thing as nothing. Please try to understand that because its where your logic fundamentally starts on a faulty place.
Also, why are you trying to understand something as complex as the universe by constraining yourself with human perceptions? We were created to think and live in this planet. We were not created to understand the complexities of the fabric of the universe. We have to think outside our confort zone to reach conclusions. There is no question towards wich the answer is: "God created it". Not a single one. Every single one that has appeared has been proven wrong. Be it the earth beeing flat, or that humans were created as they are.
The theory that everything has a cause is created by us of course, because everything does in our perceptions. But how does God created this universe circunvent that? It displaces the question to "who/what created god?" and therefore God is an expendable link in the chain.
Truth is, you are simply saying you dont know, but you can't leave it at that. You have to say God did it. Why? Just because you don't understand how it works yet, it doesn't mean a very unplausable God has to exist. It does become your onus to prove his existance because he is completely expendable.
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Do yourself a favor and read a thread before making posts like this. I have already addressed EVERY SINGLE sentence in your post.
Your BIGGEST flaw in ALL your reasoning is the assumption that "god" is a sentient theistic being. I've cleary stated multiple times that "god." Is an abstract concept that is outside the realm of our thought. LOL - apparently the same argument you try to use to rationalize the infinite universe :-/. Its funny how people will try to attack ALL forms of creationism by throwing naturalistic laws at it -- but then the infinite universe paradox is just fine - cause aethism.
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That absolutely ridiculous. You are completely closed minded and didnt understand what i just told you at all. I am telling you you need to keep an open mind and stop using your own human perceptions on trying to understand something that we weren't built to understand, but have the capability to. Infinite is something we can't picture, but wether or not we can, if it exists, it exists. Its a possibility. We don't know.
You don't know either. Your problem is that you don't know and instead of accepting it and trying to find out the truth with evidence, you fabricate one in this God concept. What is fine, is what is real, wether we like it or not. Nothing about any God is based on reality, its 100% made up. You not knowing does not prove the existance of anything nor make it any more likely than the easter bunny doing these same things.
Nothing in the world is explained by God. Why should it start now?
