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Slimebeast said:
Zkuq said:
barneystinson69 said:
Zkuq said:

I don't know why you're asking since you almost answered your own question: it's the sudden and great numbers. It takes time to integrate and until they do, they have a higher risk of causing problems.

Integration is something people have to be willing to do. If you don't want to, it'll never happen. Show me a statistic to prove that these migrants are integrating into society well...

I don't have any (and I'm not saying there are or aren't, but I don't care enough about debating this to look for any), but I don't think we've had very many issues with immigrants before the current wave. At least you almost never hear about them, and I've personally never witnessed any. I don't see any reason why the new ones should be any different.

1. About 10 years ago there was a wave of rapes commited by Somalis in Helsinki. It was an absolute disgrace. Here you have Finns, supposedly the most prone to violence of all people in Europe according to some statistics, and yet a few thousand Somalis are able to make their capital unsafe.
Now luckily determined work by the excellent Finnish police stopped this wave after a couple of years and arrested most of the perpetrators. You must have heard at least something about this? It was big in Finnish media.

2. Sadly, immigrant youth rule the streets of Helsinki today as well. Robberies, beatings and rape.
http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2015031319350781_uu.shtml

That's an article from 2015 (But it's Iltalehti! Yes, but at least somebody tells the truth. In Sweden we don't have that luxury any longer). Regarding rape, numbers show that immigrants from the Middle-east and Africa are overrepresented by a factor of x12 compared to native Finns, even when adjusted for age, sex, income and place of residence! That's simply mindblowing. And the numbers are similar in all countries that have this tolerant, lenient attitude towards immigrants, such as Sweden, Finland, Norway, Denmark, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, UK and The Netherlands.

And yet people are so afraid to generalize and refuse to accept that this has anything to do with culture. But they do accept to generalize when the claims are alienation, poverty, racism and discrimination as causes for crime, then all of a sudden it's perfectly okay to generalize! Funny. Such hypocrisy.

It's a disgrace. Even when they're a tiny minority, only a few % of the population of Finland, they are able to dominate. How on earth is that possible? Because the natives are so weak and defenseless, taught to be self-critical, afraid of being accused of racism, and lack support from media and authorities.

1. Yup, I missed it. A wave is not everyday trouble though. I'd like to know why it occurred because I assume there's a reason for that... But whatever. Seems like there was trouble anyway, I don't see why you'd be lying.

2. Like I said, integration takes time. This is a painful example of what can happen before integration when a huge number of people arrive from a vastly different culture. If the numbers of refugees were smaller, there would be less problems and they wouldn't get reported very much.

I'm not saying foreigners don't cause more problems. I'm sure they do, especially at first, but I don't think it's a significant problem after they integrate a bit into the society. Heck, for all I care, there's isn't too much to worry about even with the current situation. In large scale, it's nothing if it can be stopped. If it continues, only then it becomes a real problem. Just for the record, I think the same about terrorism. It gets a ton of attention and reactions, when in the western world it has a fraction of the victims in some regular accidents, and has little impact aside from the attention and reactions. I'd like to see the same reactions to, say, car accidents. Anyway, I find these integration problems comparable in scale (and by comparable I don't necessarily mean equal). Personally I'm more worried about the costs than the unrest and problems.