Puppyroach said:
o_O.Q said:
its kind of funny how people pretend that at any point in history that they have the world figured out...
around 100 or so years ago mercury was considered a miracle cure by cutting edge scientists
a few hundred years back the most prominent thinkers thought the earth was flat
and i'm sure that in a hundred years people will look back and laugh at the contrast between how arrogant most people are now with regards to their perceived understanding of the world compared to their ignorance of what is actually going on
scientists of today think a giant explosion created everything but concede that over 95% of the matter around us cannot be measured directly and cannot give an answer for how this explosion could have happened from nothing
besides that if you ask me with all of the side effects the drugs we take today have, the cures we use today aren't that much progressed from my earlier example
if someone looks with open eyes they can clearly see some of the same irrational, faith based kind of thinking in the scientific and specifically the atheistic community ( especially with other ideologies like feminism becoming prominent in them ) that they accuse theisst of and it really is extremely funny when you see it for what it is
anyway with regards to belief in god yes it is a faith based belief and not a belief based on empirical evidence but the point i'm making is that no one not even atheists are free of faith
as an atheist after all you have to have faith that your senses are giving you an accurate picture of the world and if they aren't then your scientific observations are shit
sure you could have tools to widen your perception but those could be flawed too and you still have to use your senses to interpret what data they give you anyway
if you marry someone you must have some degree of faith in your belief that they really love you and aren't just their to exploit you
when people put a government in power they have to have some degree of faith that they won't just be exploited ( although most people seem to be aware that this is generally not a smart beliefs to have anyway )
and the examples go on and on... no one in this world is free from faith or irrational beliefs for that matter |
Well, the only consistent fact through the years is, that whatever discoveries we have debunked, the presence of an omnipotent god has grown smaller and smaller.
And as a person that do not believe in things we have no proof of, what you would call an atheist, I do not have faith that my observations are true at all times because through scientific methodology I can always be proven wrong. And I welcome that. That is the difference between a religious person and one that does not have faith in any specific thing: The willingness to accept that your observation and knowledge is wrong.
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" the presence of an omnipotent god has grown smaller and smaller."
how can the presense of something you can't perceive grow smaller?
i guess what you meant to say is the importance of this idea to western society is being diminished and i'd agree
people are saying that irrationality is being reduced as a consequence and i'd disagree... when i look at growing ideologies like feminism and men's right activism i get the idea that irrationality is actually growing
"And as a person that do not believe in things we have no proof of, what you would call an atheist"
i have no problem with atheism as an ideology... my problem is when atheist pretend that they are above having faith and that having faith shows that someone is flawed in some way
because as i've said and given examples of there is absolutely no one alive that is free from having faith in some way... it is an intrinsic part of being alive
"That is the difference between a religious person and one that does not have faith in any specific thing"
well i don't think that such a person exists... i'd actually venture to say that the only way an intelligent being could have not faith of some kind is to be omnipotent because obviously you then know everything and have no use for speculation
