On the topic of refugees

[Slimebeast]

danielrdp said:

barneystinson69 said:

 

And why would you assume I wouldn't know people from Europe? And as for the referendum, yes the British have many different economical and political reason's that I won't go into discussion to here, but don't you think this makes the British more inclined to leave? Germany and Sweden opened the floodgate's, and began this mess. They should have instead given aid money to help refugee's stay in the middle east, instead of simply allowing in millions at a time. And you can say whatever you want, but judging from where you are (Britain) you probably know little more than anyone who has no idea about the region. I know plenty of friends and relative's who're genuinely worried about the situation. You should be thankful your country hasn't had to face what other mainland European countries have had to face, and frankly I believe Canada shouldn't be allowing so many refugee's in at a time, though that's once again a different discussion. 

 

Look, its Europe's choice here. But why do 40% of germans now want Merkel to resign over this? Doesn't that give you an indication that Europe is sick and tired of having to full on deal with this? They should close their border's, and turn them back!

 

I'm also in favor of closing the borders. Don't get me wrong. Refugees are a burden. They receive free housing, food, clothes etc. But I don't agree with anything else you said. They're NOT economic migrants. Syria is a mess, anyone would want to flee to a safe place. I don't care if they're muslims either. I also have relatives who live in mainland Europe. They're worried too, especially after IS said they want to take over Spain. But I think we need to find ways to bring the conflicts in Syria to an end, and help them rebuild their lives there.  

Millions of refugees have fled Syria into the neighboring countries. But out of those, the 5% who crossed the borders into Europe are usually those with resources -  money and a thick skin. These people hardly even stayed in the refugee camps, typically they moved directly from Syria to Lebanon and Turkey, rent apartments, take jobs and live decent lives. But being the resourceful and ambitious people they are, having had good lives and favoured social positions in Syria, they aren't satisfied with that so they set their eyes upon a future in the West. This is the typical migrant you see on the streets in the West, and what's very important - he also has an identity of being above the average person.

I have no sympathy for these 5% because they will get by perfectly well even if we don't let them in, they will manage much better than the people who live in refugee camps.

I just want to clear about this, we need to clear these myths that those who come here are refugees in need. They are largely not.

Now, in my opinion, even it was the poor and weak refugees that somehow were able to come here in masses (beyond the few thousands that are hand picked by the UN from the refugee camps and given asylum in the West) I am still against it. I would close the borders. Simply because I think they're too big of a threat socially to our countries, and because their lives and wellbeing can be secured without them physically coming to Europe. They can be sheltered in the camps, get roof over their heads, food and even school for their children, especially if we would increase the resources to those programs which they currently lack (which is a scandal).

My country Sweden even transfers billions from our foreign aid budget (over 1/3 of it currently) to house the asylum seekers that physically crossed 7-8 safe countries just to come to Sweden. That's a huge scandal, to take money from the poorest and weakest and give it to guys who already are strong, safe and secure and who will cause problems to our societies.