Can Feminists Get Any More Desperate?

[ReimTime]

bdbdbd said:

ReimTime said:

I'm sorry you feel that way about my example, I can tell it was a poor way of getting across what I wanted to say.

"which opinions are you talking about exactly?"

In context, the opinion that women should be held accountable for being raped. I can't really expand upon that without redundancy.

Contrary to my prior beliefs, it appears that we actually share many opinion.

The only part I may disagree with (and I can't tell if you hold this opinion or not, but I think others do) is how we may go about taking precautions to lower the risk of future sexual abuse. Some users present here, it would seem, think that action needs to be taken by the females (ie: don't go out alone etc.). I believe that there are better ways of dealing with it, starting with an educational foundation and continuing with moral accountability on the male's part. Is that a losing battle? Will there always be rapists? That's tough to say, but telling women not to go out alone or get drunk seems like an inefficient way of dealing with an existing problem IMO.

You don't see a disparency with the moral accountability? I mean, are you suggesting that ones should have only freedom, and others only responsibilities? Essentially retuning to an era when women were property of their fathers or husbands?

Of course there will always be rapists. Just like there will always be murderers too. 

About the crime and punishment: the punishment works primarily to prevent things from happening, but one aspect I see rarely discussed today is, that prison or death are to have people who don't fit/are dangerous to society/people removed from the society to prevent him/her to cause more harm. If a rapist is put to prison, he/she do not rape while in prison - at least the normal people in society. If a murderer is senteced to death, he won't murder any more people.

Hmmm forgive me for misunderstanding your post but I'm not seeing the connection here. What I am saying I want to see is:

>Women and men all go out in however manner they choose

>Nobody gets raped

Now what is the best way of achieving this Utopia? It isn't the female's/male's fault that she/he got raped. She/he didn't rape themselves, and besides, trying to avoid bad situations it is not a 100% guarantee that it will never happen again. Is increasing criminal punishmennt for convicted rapists the best method? Maybe, maybe not. Is further objective education for everyone on the topic the best method? Well, it will certainly help.

I believe telling women/men to avoid getting drunk by themselves as avoiding the problem, not solving it.