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Thank you all for the awesome responses!!! and to clarify a few questions that were raised. Money isn't a huge issue, the thing is I had already done most of my Christmas shopping and he already had a few expensive(ish) gifts. I don't spoil him THAT much.. Also some are right to say he does not care one bit if the console is new or old. He plays PSP games all the time and he has a Vita. He just doesn't care where he is playing if the game is fun to him. I'm so happy to learn it is backwards compatible to Wii games!! I've seen SO many Wii games in the bargain bin and so many great kids games (and adult games!) and two player games. The second screen option is huge since we share 1 tv.. so that is big. He uses remote play on the Vita to PS4 a lot when I'm watching TV. All of the games he has ever asked for are always on Wii U. He watches a lot of HobbyGamesTV on YouTube and other gaming channels and always wants the Wii U games. If I can find a bundle that has Splatoon or Mario Maker I think I'm going to pull the trigger... and if not.. I still might. I'm going to mule it over a few weeks. I'll let you know what happens!