SpokenTruth said:
Aeolus451 said:
SpokenTruth said:
Ganon, I appreciate the post (and comic..I'm a fan of dark humor myself). I think I agree with much of what you say. My issue seems to stem from the notion that many people instantly want to accuse the assaulted for putting themselves in a position to be assaulted. That's secondary to the actual act of assualt which is primary. Certainly we need to apply common sense and basic logic to protect ourselves and it should be heeded as much as possible. But when a persons first reaction is to denigrate the victim we have a problem. Were they stupid for their disregard for safety? Likely, but it shouldn't be our first concern.
With women's issues, men often immdiately look for what the women did wrong rather than the attacker. Could they both be in the wrong? Of course. But what she was wearing or where she was is secondary and too many men make it their primary concern. And because of that, you get ads like these. When we start making the raoe itself primary, these ads will stop.
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The ad is completely misguided about how men act with eachother and doesn't give any advice for how a woman could avoid any of those scenarios or how a parent might explain to a teenager how to be more careful around strangers when drinking or in bad situations. Instead, the vid paints this skewed picture that men in general condone rape because guys joke about women and other guys allow it. Guys do not condone rape or abuse or joke about either one with eachother.
Actual rapists or abusers never talk to any other guys or people about it because they would be ostracized and probably attacked by their co-workers, friends and family. If I know that a guy hits women or is likely to, I warn any women about him quietly but some women will still date the guy regardless.
If feminists or people in general seriously want to prevent things like rape then they should teach young women about avoiding dangerous situations and pushing for servere punishments for rape/molestation (cheap and expedited death penality).
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Again, the ad could be better but it's only a product of the issue. Akin to attacking the messenger (and message) rather than the underlying problem itself.
Should ads be produced that teach women how to prevent dangerous circumstances? Damn good idea. Should laws be enacted with stricter punishments for rape and false rape accusations? Even better idea.
But if we don't understand why these kinds of ads (even these poor ones) are made in the first place, we are missing the bigger issue. If we fight over the video, we ignore the real problem. This is our problem. We immediately wonder why they are attacking all of us men. We wonder why they are accusing us of possibly being rapists just because we look, flirt or whistle. We wonder why they see us as doing wrong just for being men. When what we really should be wondering is why this kind of ad was needed in the first place.
We look at ourselves individually and take umbrage for the accusation (granted every group does this regardless of association...race, sex, ethnicity, religion, etc...). But we fail to look at ourselves as a collective sex. We fail to ask ourselves as men if we are really doing all we can to protect and prevent ourselves (as a group, not individually) from harming women. It's a tough thing to reflect on because we'd rather put that repsonsibility elsewhere.
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This type of video/ad was not needed in the first place because it's misguided or tells a flawed message on every level. In other words, no one should take it seriously because it's most likely created by a radicalized feminist that doesn't care about equality and is not trying to constructively change things for the better for everyone. It only hurts feminists as a whole and it frankly makes them fit their stereotypes.
