Can Feminists Get Any More Desperate?

[Aeolus451]

SpokenTruth said:

ganoncrotch said:

 

Do a ctrl+F on my post to see if I'm saying that.

And no obviously if a person gets the shit kicked out of them for walking into a bad area of town here waving money around over their head alone in the middle of the night, the assualters are still obviously the ones breaking the law and if found (often the kind of crimes such as taking advantage of a black out drunk person male or female, are impossible to catch who did it because the victim isn't going to be aware of what might have taken place until at least the next day when they regain some sort of conciousness and until they stop thinking that the pain they are suffering is just down to the massive hangover) are completely reprehensible by the law, there is no excusing if someone is breaking the law with phrases like "they deserved it" or "they had it coming" but at the end of the day who is the one who is harmed? The person who put themselves in the situation where such a thing could happen to them.

I really find this is one of the only sort of cases where suggesting taking the slightest bit of care to not end up getting caught up in this sort of situation leads to getting attacked,

 - Have you ever criticized your parents for telling you to look left and right before crossing the street? Sure the car that knocks you down will be at fault, but you'll be dead.

 - Have you ever lashed out at the IT guy who tells you not to click on the .rar files which come with emails, (for the last time dammit those things don't have Anna Kornikova naked pictures!!!) I mean, it will obviously be the hackers who rob your credit card details who are commiting a crime, not the guy telling you to be careful

 - Or just things so bloody basic as warning a person at any point in your own life about anything.... "don't eat that" , "don't talk to him, he's crazy" or "don't run with a knife"

If you're of the mindset where you think that if someone suggesting something such as "mind yourself" as someone they care for is going out to a party, is victim shaming then I may well have wasted keystrokes and you're time reading as much of it as you did, and I'm sorry for both those things, but I can't stand people who would hurt in anyway another person, regardless of gender of either the victim or the attacker but at the same time, when it comes to my own friends and family, I always tell people to take care or mind themselves as my general parting ways phrase.... and I mean it, regardless of who is to blame, if something happens to a person, it's the person who is harmed by it.

Also some humour to a shit post in a fairly shit thread! (sorry if you don't find it funny but it's kinda a TL:DR to my post heh)

http://freethoughtblogs.com/heinous/files/2014/09/1962685_10205094451148833_5319163003356010614_n.jpg

Ganon, I appreciate the post (and comic..I'm a fan of dark humor myself).  I think I agree with much of what you say.  My issue seems to stem from the notion that many people instantly want to accuse the assaulted for putting themselves in a position to be assaulted.  That's secondary to the actual act of assualt which is primary.  Certainly we need to apply common sense and basic logic to protect ourselves and it should be heeded as much as possible.  But when a persons first reaction is to denigrate the victim we have a problem.   Were they stupid for their disregard for safety?  Likely, but it shouldn't be our first concern. 

With women's issues, men often immdiately look for what the women did wrong rather than the attacker.   Could they both be in the wrong?  Of course.  But what she was wearing or where she was is secondary and too many men make it their primary concern.  And because of that, you get ads like these.  When we start making the raoe itself primary, these ads will stop.

The ad is completely misguided about how men act with eachother and doesn't give any advice for how a woman could avoid any of those scenarios or how a parent might explain to a teenager how to be more careful around strangers when drinking or in bad situations. Instead, the vid paints this skewed picture that men in general condone rape because guys joke about women and other guys allow it.  Guys do not condone rape or abuse or joke about either one with eachother.

Actual rapists or abusers never talk to any other guys or people about it because they would be ostracized and probably attacked by their co-workers, friends and family. If I know that a guy hits women or is likely to, I warn any women about him quietly but some women will still date the guy regardless.

If feminists or people in general seriously want to prevent things like rape then they should teach young women about avoiding dangerous situations and pushing for servere punishments for rape/molestation (cheap and expedited death penality).