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SpokenTruth said:
ganoncrotch said:

Aye if you were to walk drunk and alone through some bad areas of the town I live you could end up getting beaten up, mugged or worse. It's not victim blaming to say that people should take care of themselves... the person who is most at risk of not taking care of yourself... is yourself, surely that should be incentive enough not to put yourself in unneeded danger.

I mean a large amount of I want to say feminists, but basically the people who would create videos like the one in the OPs point is that girls are perfectly able to take care of themselves and are strong independant people, surely those people are disgusted seeing some of the girls who go and get black out drunk and have to be propped up to stop themselves from drowning on their own sick at parties, regardless of if anything bad is done to them by others... these people are not taking care of themselves in the slightest.

The careless act of one doesn't not absolve the legal actions of others upon them.  Should they take greater care to protect themselves?  Of course they should.  But that does not give a free pass to anyone that want to disrobe and have their way with an unconcious body for their own pleasures.  

Are you suggesting that a man's right to violate an unconscious woman is greater than a woman's right to not be raped whle unconscious? 



 

Do a ctrl+F on my post to see if I'm saying that.

And no obviously if a person gets the shit kicked out of them for walking into a bad area of town here waving money around over their head alone in the middle of the night, the assualters are still obviously the ones breaking the law and if found (often the kind of crimes such as taking advantage of a black out drunk person male or female, are impossible to catch who did it because the victim isn't going to be aware of what might have taken place until at least the next day when they regain some sort of conciousness and until they stop thinking that the pain they are suffering is just down to the massive hangover) are completely reprehensible by the law, there is no excusing if someone is breaking the law with phrases like "they deserved it" or "they had it coming" but at the end of the day who is the one who is harmed? The person who put themselves in the situation where such a thing could happen to them.

I really find this is one of the only sort of cases where suggesting taking the slightest bit of care to not end up getting caught up in this sort of situation leads to getting attacked,

 - Have you ever criticized your parents for telling you to look left and right before crossing the street? Sure the car that knocks you down will be at fault, but you'll be dead.

 - Have you ever lashed out at the IT guy who tells you not to click on the .rar files which come with emails, (for the last time dammit those things don't have Anna Kornikova naked pictures!!!) I mean, it will obviously be the hackers who rob your credit card details who are commiting a crime, not the guy telling you to be careful

 - Or just things so bloody basic as warning a person at any point in your own life about anything.... "don't eat that" , "don't talk to him, he's crazy" or "don't run with a knife"

If you're of the mindset where you think that if someone suggesting something such as "mind yourself" as someone they care for is going out to a party, is victim shaming then I may well have wasted keystrokes and you're time reading as much of it as you did, and I'm sorry for both those things, but I can't stand people who would hurt in anyway another person, regardless of gender of either the victim or the attacker but at the same time, when it comes to my own friends and family, I always tell people to take care or mind themselves as my general parting ways phrase.... and I mean it, regardless of who is to blame, if something happens to a person, it's the person who is harmed by it.

Also some humour to a shit post in a fairly shit thread! (sorry if you don't find it funny but it's kinda a TL:DR to my post heh)

http://freethoughtblogs.com/heinous/files/2014/09/1962685_10205094451148833_5319163003356010614_n.jpg



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