curl-6 said:
oniyide said:
curl-6 said:
I never said motion controls were not a major factor; of course they were, but that doesn't disqualify its victory. I've seen plenty of people right here on VGChartz use all kinds of inane logic to try to claim that the Wii lost last gen; from implying that casual purchases don't count to saying that attach rates or time on the market decide a generation's winner rather than actual consoles sold.
As for the collapse from Wii to Wii U, that's easily explained; Nintendo turned into fucking morons from 2011 onwards and actively refused to adapt to the changing marketplace.
And while this may sound harsh, only diehard Nintendo loyalists claim they're not competing with PS/Xbox. They clearly are, and they're getting their arses kicked because they themselves refuse to acknowledge this.
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Who was saying that the victory doesnt count? i think what people were saying is not to let the hype of WIi numbers get to them because prior to that the sales in there home consoles were declining and once that was over it would go back to normal. I guess everyone was wrong cause it is worse than normal. I dont know what crazy fools were saying they lost, thats madness. But goalposts.
I would argue they didnt really adapt too much with Wii, unfortunate that the Wii U isnt popular enough to not make that an issue.
its aint harsh, its true. very true.
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I can't recall which specific users made these claims, but there it wasn't just one or two, it's a debate I've had dozens of times over the last 5 years.
Wii's success was due to a shrewd reading of the market; they saw an untapped audience and successfully captured it. Then other companies moved in, the Blue Ocean became another Red Ocean, and as usual when this happens, Nintendo was too slow to respond.
Had they applied the same degree of insight to the Wii U, they would have seen that the market in 2012 was drastically different to 2006, and that what they were attempting would not work.
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oh i believe you, but i dont think it was that many of them and they havent been spouting that in a while.
Yeah, but what were they gonna do? Its not like they couldve pulled another motion control thing and the actual tech of the Wii itself insured it was gonna get left to the wayside in alot of things. Im not trying to be hard, i really would like to know, cause i knew that it was always gonna turn out like this as soon as i picked up the wiimote and said "yup this is cool, but it wont last"
fair enough, but what would have been the alternative, stick with motion? cause that wouldnt have worked, straight red ocean against Sony/MS that didnt work even when Sony didnt really know what they were doing (PS1)
