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Cerebralbore101 on 11 January 2016
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Eddie_Raja said:
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But is it a step up?  There are now amazing games on mobile that make you wonder why you would even bother.  Minecraft for example.

 

There will always be a dedicated market -> BUT OPEN YOUR EYES.  The market is shrinking by every measurable metric, and there is far more money to be made in smartphones.

 

A 3DS game beats a smartphone game in almost every possible way. They are longer, have better graphics, better sound, and better gameplay.

Minecraft is on every system.

What metrics are we using to determine that the market is shrinking? Could you point these metrics out? I really have no idea whether or not smartphone games make more money. What evidence is there that they do?

LOL I think GTA San Andreas and Bioshock beats litterally everything on 3DS in graphics, sound, length, and gameplay.  Not to mention it seems like you litterally have no idea how many good games actually come from mobile these days: 5 nights at freddies, and Republique come to mind.

Metrics?!  Profit, marketsize, units sold, and EVERYTHING else.

 

Wow. I am blown away. Inferior ports of ancient games that are widely available on other systems 

You can buy Bioshock on the 3DS for $15?!  Oh wait, no you can't.  Yeah it's pretty sad when 10 year old games are better than the new stuff on Nintendo consoles.  Then again one could argue that the majority of new nintendo games are just the same games they have been selling for 30 years.

 

That is the same sort of argument that Vita users tried to use two years ago. They would go on and on about how the Vita had all these ports of great games, and how that made it better than the 3DS. The Vita is now dead, and only serves as a remote play device for your PS4.

I really don't see your point here.  The Vita lacked enough AAA games, and the PSP sold so well (The PSP sold better than the 3DS ever will) because it was one of those first "Do everything" media devices.  The problem is that now smartphones do everything and so the PSP/Vita became mostly obsolete.  Now smartphones have great games too, and the 3DS is therefore obsolete.

Yes the Vita will end up selling 1/4th as well as the PSP, but then again the 3DS will end up selling half as well as the DS and so again - overall the dedicated handheld market is shrinking.  Nintendo can embrace this FACT and invest in the expanding markets, or continue to throw their money into a pit of fire.

The Vita didn't lack AAA games. It lacked AAA *exclusives*. There are a ton of great games for the Vita, but it doesn't matter because, they are all ports. If all of the games for a specific device can be played on another device, that you already own, then there is much less incentive, to buy said device. The PSP sold on the Sony name alone. Not to mention it has a nice little library of good exclusives. You have a point to an extent about the "do everything devices". Casual gamers that just wanted Tetris, or Bejeweled, or some other simple game to waste their time while on an airplane, have moved to mobile. The handheld market will never get those customers back, because those customers were never interested in portable AAA games.

The Vita died mostly because it was too expensive and it had a drought of games. Watch the Extra Credits episode on why the Vita died. They explain it better than I ever could.

The idea that the 3DS is obsolete, because Smartphones can play badly ported versions of Minecraft, Bioshock, and San Andreas, makes me laugh. A bad port of a great game is a bad game. The 3DS/DS library blows the iOS library completely out of the water. It's no constest. You might as well compare the SNES library with the Jagaur library.

"The Jagaur has Doom, Rayman, and NBA Jam. Therefore the SNES is obsolete!"-Some guy who thought just like Eddie decades ago.