It's November 21st 2016. The NX is out and more powerful than the PS4. Are 3rd parties on board?

[midrange]

Wyrdness said:

midrange said:

I did read you're comments. You asked why Nintendo should strive to help third party companies if they don't try. I responded by saying third party companies do try but even then, Nintendo doesn't try (and also gave examples). Apparently I was wrong to do so because not agreeing with you makes me come off as "desperate." 

you can't just find a "flaw" to every single third party game. for you, a game is either "late" or "niche" or "missing content." These flaws are present in all third party everywhere but only the wii u is suffering major third party issues.

the issue, they don't properly support third party games (regardless of the quality of games)

 

You didn't read the post then because most of the questions you asked were already answered, the post flat out explained that for one the's an issue with the demographic being different from what third parties deal with which also touched on market approach, third party effort was only part of the post which both you and that other guy only focused on with out reading the rest of the post. The third party titles Nintendo had a hand in did better then all the others combined and I don't care for your "but but 1m isn't..." talk either. If these games are your idea of effort then you have low low standards, it's not nitpicking these are significant flaws in the handling of the games that sent a negative message to the userbase, ZombiU highlighted the same result happens with other userbases when the same wayward handling is apparent.

I already highlighted why you came across as desperate if you didn't read the prior posts properly that's not my concern or problem because as that post highlighted the issue with the demographic, market approach and third party effort combined is something that no matter how hard Nintendo pushes it won't change a thing. This means that the demographic has to change where they not only buy the type of mainstream games third parties put out but by them with in the first few weeks and every year or the market approach of these third parties has to change were they drop the AAA approach and be more efficient.

Third party effort can always improve but as I mentioned in the post you didn't read properly they have to go all in like they do with other userbases and fully commit if they want positive results, the demographic here are never going to fall for half assed attempts at testing the waters they catch on to that quickly. Nintendo won't support these third parties as a result of all of the above because the's a lot that's out of their hands and will instead stick to second party deals because that way the developer is fully commited then and tbh a unified library and second party deals is the most beneficial approach for them.

A few things:

1) as I've said, I've read your post. And I simply don't agree. You mention demographics as an issue, and to that I completely disagree. Given the diversity of games (hardcore deus ex to casual Rayman legends), at least one of those third party games should have hit that demographic and been a success.

 

2) profit determines success, not sales. Rayman legends could have sold 1 million or 10 million but it's still a failure if it didn't generate profit (which ubisoft said it didnt). same with the other games.

"but but its old better than cod or AC on the wii u..." No one gives a crap. Selling better than crap doesn't mean your game is selling well.

"But it's the third best out of all platforms..." Who cares! It didn't make a profit. Likewise, the fact that a game designed specially for the wii u is anything but first is laughable.

 

3) yes, I do think these games are of quality, and reviewers agree. Some metacritic scores of the Wii u versions - Rayman (92), NFS (86), deus ex (88). if this is your idea of low effort, than you must be really disappointed with the low effort mario maker (88), mario kart (88) and splatoon (81). The idea that all third parties aren't trying on the wii u is a stupid generalization.

 

4) Nintendo could have done a lot to make these games successes. Funding is one. Marketing is another. Aid in development is another. Sony and Microsoft do this all the time, and this is why third parties work with them. Not all of them turn out well (such as evolve, dead rising 3, ryse), but the fact that Sony and Microsoft still go all out in helping is what keeps third parties working with them.

we don't know about Nintendo's future (unified library is not gauranteed), but what we can be sure of is that without third party, Nintendo has no chance of beating the competition.

im also going to end this hear before we enter a hateful battle of who can read and who can't.