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thismeintiel on 09 January 2016
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Soundwave said:
sabvre42 said:

The reason people like me are angry about Rey is not because she has a vagina and is powerful. Rey isn't a mutant from Marvel/DC -- shes a force sensative human being.

Its because they changed the whole concept of the force from being a mystical power that people tap into to just being some major power people are born with. They removed the whole concept of people people needed to attain mastery and just turned Rey into a super hero (although most super heros still take time to come into their full powers).

By breaking cannon with this - they most likely just implemented power creep, and will turn this into the Jedi version of Dragon Ball Z.

Anakin and Luke already broke this tenant. 

Anakin does ridiculous things in Episode I at *age freaking nine* with zero training. Only human who can race pods at 1000 mph? With zero training? Because "Jedi reflexes". Give me a fucking break. Of course he has to destroy the Trade Federation command ship too. 

If it's revealed in Episode VIII that Rey was trained from a young age, she'll have had more training than Luke or Anakin to boot. 

She was at Luke's Academy. She probably could be his daughter even. She may have several years of training for all we know that was repressed within her. 

So, all those creatures racing were Jedis?  Let's not let the prequels poor writing cloud our judgement here.   The only thing that was doing was trying to reference Obi Wan saying that Anakin was a great pilot in the OG trilogy.  In truth, we should have met Anakin, at the earliest, in his late teens as a Republic pilot.  Anakin didn't start truly using the force until the 2nd movie.  And even then, they had him get his ass handed to him by Count Dooku.  If it was Rey they would have had it end in a draw, if not her winning. 

And no, Luke continues to adhere to that tenant.  He only used the force to help him target a hole.  The same way he targeted the little training droid earlier in the film.  Again, it wasn't until the 2nd movie we really start to see him use the Force substantially, and only til the 3rd movie has he even mastered it to be maybe slightly above Rey.

Soundwave said:
thismeintiel said:

Yet, more poor excuses for lazy writing.  Sounds just like the fans of the prequels when they released.  And even though the prequels did the stupid "Anakin is basically Jedi Jesus"  they had enough sense to NOT have him master everything on his own, in the matter of a few days of finding out about the Force.  It took him years to pull off the crap Rey is doing.  Same goes for Luke. So, yes, it is a stretch you can go 0-Jedi in under 48 hours.  And she did a lot more than pull a lightsaber and trick a stormtrooper.  She stopped a trained Jedi from reading her thoughts, while seeing into his.  She did a mind trick, something Luke could only do til movie 3 in the OG trilogy.  She used it to defeat a trained Jedi/Sith in a lightsaber battle.  And that said lightsaber was not just laying there, a trained Jedi/Sith was trying to pull it towards him at the time.

The true sad thing is that no one would be defending this poor writing if it was a man.  They would have expected more.  And they have been given more in the past.  But because it wasn't, we have to have those that sympatize with the modern feminist movement defending because of... uh...sexism. 

And don't post NC like he's the end all be all on opinions.  His is also a poor excuse.  You can do something different AND it be good.  Many movies have proven this before.  With that thinking Empire and Jedi should have been exactly like Hope, with slight changes, and would have been exceptable.  Many people have even given suggestions for what they could have done to this movie to make it different, but not seem like a paint by numbers, and quite a few of them have been very good.  Sadly, Hollywood likes to keep playing it safe and/or played out, and people keep making excuses for them.  Yet, some of those same people complain about remakes.  Go figure.

 

 

Maybe they could have done something original if the prequels didn't fuck the franchise and alienate a large part of the audience. And there would be no "yeah but you gotta watch the next one to see Darth Vader!" hook that saved Ep.III either. 

Star Wars was fizzling out after the prequels ... the Clone Wars animated movie *bombed* and the Phantom Menace 3D re-release was a dud (compare to how enthusiastically A New Hope was re-released to big box office in 1997). 

The franchise was in trouble and declining. Disney is going to make 50 different Star Wars movies anyway, what's wrong with using ONE to re-center the damn franchise and take it back to its roots? The approach they took was smart. 

I'm sorry, what the hell does this have to do with anything?  You're answer to some bad prequels is to just follow the major plot points of the OG trilogy?  That's poor reasoning.  In fact, all they would have to do is ignore them and act like they don't even exist, like a lot of SW fans do.  I mean, why not?  They already shit on the EU, which I'm sure has plenty of better, more original stories out there they could pull from.