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RolStoppable said:
OneKartVita said:

That's too black and white.  Just let me get out of the way I have to qualms with the 3DS being the undisputed king.  WW and Japan especially it definitely done respectable numbers.  

Regarding the Wii U in Japan.  It's not a success but it's not a bomb.  I mean it sold 850k this year.  the ps4 sold 1.3m 

I'd describe that as the Wii U not doing great but definitely a million miles from bombing.  Like the x1 sold what 20k this year?  

In Japan the vita sold 1m again.  In this one region I'd describe the sales as average for a console but shit for a handheld.  

So yeah Wii U doing 850k is not good or bad.  Ps4 doing 1.3m and nowhere near it's peak I'd describe as both good and promising.  Have you forgotten a year ago the experts on various forums mainly gaf said the ps4 would even cross 5m? It will cross 4m after 2016 and be around 6m at the end of 2017 with many years left on market.  

You really call random people on forums "experts", especially NeoGAF? A year ago on VGC (where there aren't any experts either) we didn't have such a braindead consensus that the PS4 wouldn't even sell 5m in Japan. It was in the range of "will sell as much as PS3 to three million less than that" and that still looks like a solid expectation now. But that result isn't really a win for Sony when:

1. Their competition's strength declined considerably, yet Sony won't gain from that.
2. The PS3 was a console where Sony committed plenty of glaring mistakes while the PS4 is a console where Sony did most things right.

I mean, despite being much better executed than the PS3, the PS4 is barely keeping the pace of the PS3 up to this point, and it doesn't look like it's going to be much better in the future. Such a performance is not something to celebrate, it's more along the lines of Sony shrugging their shoulders and wondering what else they could have done.

 

Good reply.  And I like the sound of the predictions you described here.  Far more reasonable than the ultra negative gaf "experts". 

 

Sony have managed to get a ton of games in the pipeline along with titles like KH3 and DQ11. I definitely wouldn't say they ain't trying.  

 

I know they did a lot wrong with the ps3 but it was coming off the ps2 so I believe if they launched that like they did the ps4 it would have sold 13/14m instead of 4m. 

 

Each gen has different market standards and I definitely think selling 8-10m this gen is a success for a home console in the mobile dominated Japan.