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KLAMarine said:
Aura7541 said:
KLAMarine said:

For the sake of fairness, let's take into consideration the rest of that passage of the Quran shall we?

"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise."

And this is just one translation of the passage I've come across. There are others: https://www.comp.leeds.ac.uk/nora/html/4-24.html

The passage seems to be discussing marriage, not rape.

Probably not the best example, so how about this one? While this passage doesn't talk about rape, if a woman refuses to have sex, the man can punish her since "men are in charge of women".

"Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great."

Here's one that allows intercouse with female captives:

"The apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Quranic verse, "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess". That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period."

There are also several other misogynistic (and I'm not talking about the feminist/SJW version of misogyny) passages in the Quran such as a woman's testimony is worth half of a man's.

I'm certain you can find objectionable content in the Quran but as deskpro2k3 pointed out, the Bible also contains objectionable content.

Referring back to Scisca's post, should we then call Christianity "savage and totally incompatible with our world"?


Christianity admits that the Bible contains a lot of archaic stuff in the Old testament but many live by the New testatement. That said, Europe is not very religious anymore. People "leaving" church in Germany in masses, many recognize that they don't need a church or organizations for believing, many don't even believe anymore. This completely collides with religious fanatics and masses that are educated with a very religious culture.