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Fei-Hung on 01 January 2016
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LudicrousSpeed said:
Fei-Hung said:

I agree we don't know how much MS gave, but we do know they didn't pay for the cost of the whole game, nor will they make up for lost profits. No developer makes games to lose profits and this game hasn't even sold a million yet. Within weeks of release the game was discounted to half price and thrown into buy one get one free deals. 

LOL the game released during the holidays. Virtually every game was available for big discounts or in B2G1 B1G1 packages. This is a silly point.

 

 

No not every game was discounted. I didn't see any B1G1 deals for DTK, JC3, FO4, COD, UCC, SWBF etc. Nor did I see any half price deals on most of those games. 

Fei-Hung said:

If the game broke even or is making a profit, the PC launch wouldn't have been pushed 5-6 months forward like it has. 

And this is just an incorrect point. The PC version was Q1 2016. Releasing it at the end of January would mean a maximum of a 2 month push forward. Do you have proof it was pushed up 2 months ahead of their planned PC launch? Also, why or how would the game have already broken even or made a profit?

I got the PC date wrong but had they sold 1.8 million in it's first week at full price in 2013. That's more than double what it sold with the sequel. I'm certain that would have gone a long way towards recouping costs compared to 800k with many sales being discounted ones. 

Fei-Hung said:

Although you are right about there not being a SW-BF, Blops3, and FO4, you forget there will be:

 

1) a COD game 

2) Mass Effect 

3) TLG 

4) GTS 

5) a new Destiny or expansion 

6) BF5 

7) FFXV 

8) world of final fantasy 

 

Granted some of these games are not big, but 4 possibly 5 are. In addition, all the above will be released as new games with marketing and release hype unlike RotTR. 

I didn't forget about any of those. They are not Black Ops 3 or Fallout or Halo. I mean.. you have FF and TLG on there. Plus there will still be at least 5 platforms they can draw from, assuming they bother with a last gen port of any "ultimate edition".

They don't need to blops 3 or FO4, newer games just carry more hype tHan re-releases and the are still enough gangs that will have a bigger marketing push than RotTR. 

Fei-Hung said:

Then there is a new piece of hardware being released along with over a dozen games with possibly one of the most anticipated games called No Man's Sky and Sony is bound to advertise the shit out of it. 

New hardware, awesome! Sounds like another platform they can sell it on. And as a launch game, no less. It'll sell nicely.

No Man's Sky one of the most anticipated games... yikes.

 

I doubt very much that RotTR will get a PSVR launch or any marketing support from Sony when they are trying to push their own games and hardware at the same time. 

 

Yes, No Man's Sky, yikes. 

Fei-Hung said:

Last but not least, the SFV deal was was entirely different to the TR deal. SFV deal wasn't made sometime into development but from the beginning. The game is also being co-developed with Sony and only got off the ground due to financial support from Sony. 

 

At no stage did SE or CD clearly state that the game wouldn't be made of it wasn't for MS. What they have said repeatedly is that MS is a great partner and they believe MS will help them take this franchise to the next level. 

This is a strange thing on this forum where when you compare the SFV and TR deal, both moneyhat deals done to games that would have existed anyway, people get like.. almost offended that you would dare compare the deals. It's amusing. But I wasn't comparing the behind the scenes stuff you're speculating/defending on. I am merely talking about a franchise where a previous entry sold very well on other platforms, releasing a sequel that rules some of them out. And yeah, these deals are different, because eventually TR will return to PS4. SFV is never coming to Xbox. On the scale of moneyhats that are bad for gamers, SFV is infinitely worse. But this is about business. MS paid Square for TR time, Sony is paying Capcom for SFV time. I can't imagine either deal will work out bad for the companies in the grand scheme of things.

 

We are not talking about whether it will do MS or Sony good or bad, that's a different debate all together. Secondly not all all money hat deals are the same. 

Fei-Hung said:

Either way, I don't think the franchise will die. SE at going to make big money over this and next year with FFXV, WoFF, Nier Automata and others. They will take the hit, and learn from their mistakes. CD probably also played a part in this deal and will probably be given a smaller budget, but more likely I see Sony bringing the franchise home for its next instalment with a timed deal or full exclusivity. 

Uncharted is now coming to an end and Sony knows they no longer have it to bank on or a game in the action adventure Indy genre. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony have already negotiated it with SE. 

I doubt the developer had anything to do with what the publisher did. lol @ bringing it "home".

Anyways, I am done here.

 

Yes, bringing it home. TR is believed by many to be at home on the Sony system. It worked wonders for the PS1 and has even out sold the 360 and X1 version. 

 

You were done on this site a long time ago when you made bold statements that back fired. You can lol at that too of you like.