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DakonBlackblade on 01 January 2016
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amp316 said:

Yep, it would be difficult to tell my sister that I failed her son, but I wouldn't hide out in order to allow him to lead the First Order and slaughter innocent people.  Luke Skywalker is a hero.  Not a coward...  He fought against the Empire and would do so against the First Order.  More specualation on things that you don't know.  Just guesswork.

At the end of III we see Luke and Leia born, where they are taken to, Vader, Palpatine, and Tarkin together, and at the beginning of IV they explain that the Senate has been dissolved.  Like him or not, Lucas told a cohesive story and we see both of Anakin / Vader's lightsaber duels.  We don't have to guess what happened.  If anything the complaint is that Lucas explained too much.  This movie explained nothing.

He saw his nephew turn to the dark side, murder countless inocent ppl and blamed himself because if he hadnt offered ot train him hed never have fallen to the dark side in the first place. And them he went into exile, if he was hiding because he was ashame or if it has anythign to do with Snoke, Rey and even kylo himself is yet to be determined. 

Ye and Ep III was made after Ep IV, like 20+ years after, so when Ep IV was released there was 200000000 things unexplained and ppl always analyse it in retrospect. Even with another 3 movies there was still a lot of things that were never explained, one of the bigest ones is the actual formation/origins of the Rebel Alliance, how did that process happen, where did they get all the military plans and hardware they needed, the money, etc. Hence why Star Wars Rebels is a thing. Stop analysing IV in retrospect to say it was this beautfull all tied up neat ball of awesomeness when in fact it was just part of a series (even tough a lot was done to give us a conclusive story out of fear of a new movie never happening). Ep V wich is probably the best of the series, has unanswered stuff in it, in the end everyone was trying to understand wtf happened for Lukes father to become Darth Vader, part of it wasnt even epxlained on VI and needed an etire new trilogy to be delt with.

Porcupine_I said:
Carl2291 said:
padib said:

So the planet is exploding, Kylo is distraught from murdering his father to the point where he can't stop a bow shot, and he's having fun with Finn.

I'm expected to be impressed by this character?


Dakon already covered this with you, but yeah. He's taking his anger out on Finn and the planet isnt being destroyed at that point. It's entirely stable.

Kylo calls him out on being a traitor, fights him one handed for a chunk of the fight, showboats, knocks him to the ground and lets him get up, pins him up against a tree and tortures him with the cross guard. Within 5 seconds of Finn getting his lucky shot in, Kylo has disarmed him and sliced his spine.

This is a character that throughout the film is trying to show people how powerful he is. Trying to prove himself. It fits entirely with how he's been portrayed throughout the movie. A very talented amateur, yet to complete his training, thinking he is more than what he is. When he came across a competant adversary, Rey, he was exposed. Not just in the lightsaber fight, but in the interrogation. 

Bah! Nobody who doesn't want to like the movie would accept that interpretation! ;)

The keyword there, ppl are realy making a herculeam effort not to like this, every explanation makes the complainers change the angle of the complaint entirely. The whole it shouldve explained everything compalint is by far the worst and seriously its dumb, I chalenge anyone to read or watch Harry Potter and the Sorcerers Stone and not have liek 75 different questions going trough his head. This movie is 1 part of a series of 3, the first part, it had little time to tell much about a bunch of things because it had characters to introduce, it told enought to hook ppl up, so much so there are multiple theorys going around about who is Rey, Snoke, what happened to turn Kylo bad etc, in other words it did its job perfectly well, ppl want to know how this story unfolds. The movie set the foundations for the story to be further explored. Anyone who has a problem with unanswered questions on part 1 of a trilogy should either not watch the thing or wait till all 3 movies are out so youll have all your answers. Hint, Frodo does not destroy the Ring in 1 movie; plotwist he doesnt even actualy destroys the ring.

Carl2291 said:

I dont know if he knows. I need to read the book. However, since you bring up Vader it reminds be that its also significant development for him.

All throughout the film he is trying to live up to what Vader was. Vaders one weakness was his son, who he simply wouldnt put down. On the other hand Kylo straight up murders his father with little hesitation. In that one moment he did what Vader couldnt do.

On the released script/novelisation transcript it says Snoke told him and most liekly used it to convinve him killing Han would help. The movie makes no mention of Snoke telling him that (it only shows Snoke telling him to kill Han) but as we see in the movie and read in the scrip/novelisation killing Han didnt help at all, it sent him into the deeply disturbed Kylo mode he was on the final scene.