| padib said: If I remember correctly, the person who mentioned the breakdown of the new generation of Jedi due to Kylo Ren was Han Solo in his dialogue with Rey and Finn as they talk about the force on the Millenium falcon when they first meet. Yes, what you're saying in the last paragraph is exactly what I meant. I think that was a flaw in the movie, and that's why the idea I presented makes sense and doesn't at the same time. The movie wasn't consistent on that character, and though your suggestion of him getting more powerful in the next movies makes sense all things said, it would have been more interesting if he humiliated Rey and Finn, and they caught up to him through training in VIII and IX. Because if he was able to frustrate Luke, who's been there and back when it comes to the force, I was expecting a force to be reckoned with. |
I went back to the film and looked for that part and Han Solo talks about Luke disappearing because he trained a new generation of Jedi but a young apprentice betrayed him and "destroyed all" and Luke felt responsible so he decided to abandon everything.
The question here would be what Han meant with "destroying all". It is possible that refers to destroying the confidence and dynamic Luke had in training Padawans making him going reclusive.
I am not sure that young apprentice is Kylo Ren. It could be Snoke. Maybe the key to finding this out is to go back and check how many years Luke has spent reclusive and compare that to Kylo's age. I don't remember if that info is there in the film though.
I completely get what you mean. I also expected a badass Sith in Kylo Ren but felt we didn't get it. Now I look at his cool costume and image and say to myself that I would put his picture in my desktop background but then can't because I feel his sort of a wussy.
Like I wrote above I feel the writers opted instead to have in Kylo a villain-in-process, so I have to wait and see what they do with him but he wasn't what I expected, definitely. He was what I expected in the beginning of the film, then became something else.
Remember though, there is a difference of power in the Force and Lightsaber skills. Maybe Kylo is very strong in his power of the Force, but not very skilled as a Lightsaber fighter, yet.
The "frustration" or feeling of "betrayal" that Luke may have felt with whatever young apprentice went rogue may not be the result of Luke being overshadowed by the apprentice's power of the Force or skills, but of the disappointment of having someone he cared for turning away from him into the Darkside.
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